This story is an argument against both transgenderism and assisted suicide

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24373107

Horrific story from Belgium of a trans identified woman receiving assisted suicide because her three transgender surgeries left her with depression.

This happened ten years ago. I think I've read about her elsewhere though. The being rejected for being female, rings a bell. I think there has been a similar case in Canada. A natal male who was talking of suicide through MAiD after gender affirming 'care'. I don't know if he has though.

It's not assisted dying, though, it's official euthanasia.

The assisted dying bill will do nothing for people who suffer chronic pain etc., as they are not terminally ill. In other words, no matter how unbearable your life is, you just have to suffer on, unless you get something that has a time limit on it and then you can shorten your suffering by 6 months or something.

Three failed surgeries must have left this poor women in an awful state physically as well as psychologically.

I hope the renewed interest in this case highlights the dangers of 'gender reassignment surgery' more than the proposed assisted dying bill, which wouldn't cover a case like this.

Christ.

Was the "rigorous procedure" around being assisted to die better than the procedure around giving the "gender affirming care" I wonder? Or do they admit that one isn't rigorous?

This story is a good illustration of how these laws go - from people close to death, to people with chronic physical issues, to people with mental issues, to children.

I'm hoping you're partially right, TempestTost, I think chronic conditions need to be considered, not just terminal ones. At a certain point, after years and years of pain and suffering, I think one should have the right to say 'I've been brave, I've fought the good fight, but I can't endure it any more any more, and I want to end my suffering now'.

I agree with you Marie, from bitter personal experience I have strong compassion for the people you describe trapped in that horrible situation. Except for the fact that recent years of researching the topics on FWR have left me with the stark knowledge that the medical profession and the State are not always capable, sensible, ethical and trustworthy in how they deal with vulnerable people and I’m not sure I have the trust in me that the UK (or any government) can carry out assisted suicide/euthanasia in a responsible manner. Particularly since I’ve seen how the schemes operated by governments and medics in other countries have suffered from mission creep.

I want people in pain to have as many options as possible but I also want them to be protected from chances for ineptness and ideological fervour potentially impinging on them.

The ideological fervour argument cuts both ways. At the moment it’s preventing terminally ill people from being able to choose to end their life as they wish. Many of the arguments I’ve read, whichever side they support, are based on subjective experiences: generalising from the particular.

Why is the story an argument against assisted suicide?

Re the gender affirming care, you would have thought this was a massive red flag before they started on irreversible surgeries "The newspaper, which said it had spoken to him on the eve of his death, reported that he had been rejected by his parents who had wanted another son." Doesn't take a genius to work out what was going on here. How fucking horrendous that she was given surgery to try to make her body fit in with her abusive parents wishes rather than mental health support.

In the UK, kids at the GiDS clinic were ten times more likely to have a registered sex offender as a parent, and most were gay or lesbian teenagers.

This isn't a one off. The CEO of Mermaids told the world how her husband didn't want a gay son. So they took his toys off him and he only said he was a girl to get them back.

It took just over a decade from the GRA being passed to male rapists being locked up in women's prisons and all the rest of it.

This assisted dying bill will be even worse, it won't take long for restrictions to be loosened, a blind eye turned by captured organisations who should know better. We'll end up with suicide clinics on every high street, just tick a couple of boxes and you're done.

Mark my words this will be Britain in the 2040s. It'll be women most harmed by this too.