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Helen Steele due to give evidence to spycop enquiry today.

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Signalbox · 26/11/2024 08:10

https://policespiesoutoflives.org.uk/our-stories/helens-story-2/

Sorry that should have said tomorrow (Wednesday). I’m trying to find a link to the hearing.

Helen Steele due to give evidence to spycop enquiry today.
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nauticant · 19/01/2025 12:28

The witnesses in the Inquiry this week were undercover police officer HN1/"Matt Rayner" preceded by the young woman he targeted for a sexual relationship over 30 years ago.

Compared to other undercover police officers who have given evidence, "Matt Rayner" came across as intelligent and well educated. He was willing to admit the basic facts of what happened but it was striking how many times he would not engage with the fact that what he had done was simply wrong, both in terms of his duties as someone working for the state and of basic morality. He would not acknowledge the vulnerability of his target or the harm he would foreseeably have caused bearing in mind that vulnerability. He seemed to think that someone would be back to normal a week or two after a suicide attempt.

It was very striking that someone in his position would have been given anonymity by the Inquiry, and maintained it, which is why he appeared as "Matt Rayner", when it has emerged that he had misled the Inquiry in a number of highly material respects in order to secure that anonymity.

I would love to know who "Matt Rayner" is. I get the impression he has been very successful over the past few decades and I wonder if he is highly placed in the Establishment.

nauticant · 19/01/2025 12:33

In case anyone is interested in hearing "Matt Rayner" give evidence, I'd recommend the last day, on Friday:

https://www.youtube.com/@undercoverpolicinginquiry9441/search?query=17%20January%202025

There were a number of parts that can be skipped when broadcasting was suspended and because questions and answers in an Inquiry tend to be very slowly paced, you can crank up the playback speed to 1.5x and not miss anything.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 20/01/2025 00:01

I have always rather liked Richard Coles so am shocked to hear about his brother, and his joking about it. Not nice.

But am I getting confused...was there another famous person's brother who was also a spycop? Is he one of these evidence-givers?

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 24/01/2025 09:54

I don't think Richard Coles is all that 'nice' - have always considered him a bit smarmy.
And can never forget that he lied to his closest friends and band-mates about being HIV-positive back in the 1980s (when it was considered untreatable and many gay men were dying of AIDS).

In his own words:
“It might seem odd, but I was in a pop band at the time and I think I wanted some attention. The other thing, which is the really difficult thing to admit, was that I was sort of drawn to it, because there was this sort of weird glamour to it.

Two brothers, Richard and Andy, both liars in really damaging and quite sociopathic ways. No idea what the third Coles brother is like.

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