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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gendered vocabulary should be removed from pregnancy care, suggests Labour MP

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Gymnopedie · 21/11/2024 18:53

Gendered vocabulary should be removed from pregnancy care, suggests Labour MP (from the Independent via MSN)

And what the hell is the difference between a transman and a trans masculine person?

If it were to happen (removing gendered vocabulary) we'd have people who bleed, people who are pregnant... And I know it's already happened in a lot of places but it is a choice and the tide is turning. Greater awareness of the risks of cervical cancer, fine. But changing an entire medical lexicon to accommodate a few isn't.

A transman is a man? Nope.

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KoalaCalledKevin · 24/11/2024 11:29

Why only from pregnancy care? Why not all sex-specific areas of medicine? Is there some reason he has specified a female area of healthcare?

Sazzasez · 24/11/2024 11:52

Well bang goes safety & clear information, which can save lives.

Especially for women unfamiliar with the vocabulary, women with aphasia or other language impairments, as well as those whose first language isn’t English. Sobel says “who cares?”

If you’re not immediately aware that identifying as a “person of uterine capacity” or a “cervix haver” might mean you, forget it.

When I was diagnosed with breast cancer (10 years remission & counting) my older neighbour was sympathetic, but unable to say “breast” or “cancer”. She’d ask how was “my trouble”.

She was later diagnosed with uterine cancer & I wonder how long she put up with terrifying symptoms rather than attempt to put them into words to a doctor?

Grammarnut · 24/11/2024 22:20

Katkins17 · 21/11/2024 19:12

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ..... 99.9% 0f pregnancies are women...the minuscule amount of Trans identifying women who also fall pregnant, or need maternity services, have no right to dictate what we're called or referred too.

Trans identified women are women, so 100% of pregnancies are had by women.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/11/2024 23:05

Gymnopedie · 21/11/2024 18:53

Gendered vocabulary should be removed from pregnancy care, suggests Labour MP (from the Independent via MSN)

And what the hell is the difference between a transman and a trans masculine person?

If it were to happen (removing gendered vocabulary) we'd have people who bleed, people who are pregnant... And I know it's already happened in a lot of places but it is a choice and the tide is turning. Greater awareness of the risks of cervical cancer, fine. But changing an entire medical lexicon to accommodate a few isn't.

A transman is a man? Nope.

If “transmen are men” then they wouldn’t be pregnant.

This MP is ridiculous. And that he is calling for faster NHS “top surgery” for these would be pregnant transmen (who “are men” ) at the same time as calling for an improvement in pregnancy protocols for transmen, just shows up the extraordinary stupidity of his position.

What does this MP think he is doing?

Remember this very well written exhortation
Frontiers | Effective Communication About Pregnancy, Birth, Lactation, Breastfeeding and Newborn Care: The Importance of Sexed Language | Global Women's Health
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR2LxA0PL7cJ0SbSJq9df5jfLbCCwfVz86vd7aYWkeAq23liDTpfEpuqA

Frontiers | Effective Communication About Pregnancy, Birth, Lactation, Breastfeeding and Newborn Care: The Importance of Sexed Language

On 24 September 2021, The Lancet medical journal highlighted an article on its cover with a single sentence in large text; ‘Historically, the anatomy and phy...

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR2LxA0PL7cJ0SbS_Jq9df5jfLbCCwfVz86vd7aYWkeAq23liD_TpfEpuqA

Giggorata · 24/11/2024 23:45

More idiocy.

Thepurplecar · 25/11/2024 01:38

Well, if we're Gender neutral then yes, of course. Where are the men who give birth, breastfeed (ugh, no that doesn't count)? And how do you explain the gender pay gap, vawg .....confusing. Is this MP's mother gender neutral? What about his father and how onnearth was he conceived? Curious, but if he's the product of a they and a they, then his perspective makes sense.

I'm imagining the two they parents opening identical socks and pants on Xmas morning.

Thepurplecar · 25/11/2024 01:41

If anyone tells me I can't have a prostate check, I'll sue.

Anothercoffeeafter3 · 25/11/2024 01:50

The use of man or woman/ male or female in most sentences isn't needed it just the grammar we are used to.

Breastfeeding woman - breastfeeding parent
Woman's cervix - the patients cervix (I can't even think when you would discuss a woman's cervix in a sentence outside of medicine.
Menstruating woman - menstruating person
Woman's health - use the actual specialities - reproductive health, sexual health, gynaecology
Labouring woman - labouring person/labouring patient
Mother/father - parent/the parents of X (DS is 11 we've all recently commented on the number of kids using biological parents 1st names)

Men and woman get breast cancer so it shouldn't be termed as a female disease and considering what we know about the genetics now it should be gender neutral screening anyway.

XX - identify as female on forms etc however use gender neutral terminology where I can.

Craftymam · 25/11/2024 01:52

He can fuck off. Talk about absolute disrespect for women/ pregnancy/ childbirth/ his mother - who without he would not exist.

Craftymam · 25/11/2024 01:58

And why does it matter?! Because pregnancy and childbirth is the wildest most dissacociating and identity crushing experience that happens. It’s a transformation for first time mums and it’s incredibly scary. The mental health of women post partum is tatters at best and destroyed at worst.

Little moments like being called mum by the midwife’s meant a lot.

Ie. Here you go mum (passing over babe who is the next 20+ years of your life), How is mum doing? Etc.

It’s a really nice bedside manner touch that I noticed and I thought shit! I am mum now. This is who I am.

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