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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Keith Caputo detransitions

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Brewdug · 20/11/2024 22:26

Keith Caputo, singer with Life of Agony, has given a fascinating account of his reasons for detransitioning after years of being Mina, thought this was worth a share.

"Just because I engaged with the feminine didn't ever make me a biological woman — ever. Ever. And I never will be."

blabbermouth.net/news/life-of-agonys-mina-caputo-says-she-has-cured-her-gender-dysphoria-and-will-be-changing-her-name-back-to-keith-caputo

He speaks out against child transition and for women's rights. He had awful childhood trauma and has strong views on the damage hormone therapy can do to anyone.

Odd how the website still insists on the female name and pronouns and takes pains to stress how few people regret transitioning compared to any other operation (??). Why a metal news site would want to push that agenda rather than listen to what they're printing him saying seems quite ridiculous.

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Myalternate · 20/11/2024 22:38

Never heard of him but I admire him for speaking out.

MarieDeGournay · 20/11/2024 22:46

Never heard of him either but wow, what passion!

I think he's a very powerful advocate, because he knows what he's talking about and he pulls no punches when he talks:
I don't wish being trans on my worst enemy. It's so debilitating, man. I feel bad for the parents that don't know any better, and for the children. I really do. This is a fucked up world, man. They're confusing motherfuckers too much. It's, like, let your kids play. Drugs ain't gonna fix anything. Surgery will not fix.
"Anyone that's gonna disagree with me, that's cool, but I know you're lying because I've been hearing stories for 30-plus years of the nightmares hormone therapy does to people's body.

Thanks for posting it, it's a unique point of view and bravo to him for his insight and courage.

popeydokey · 20/11/2024 22:57

According to Xtra, numerous peer-reviewed scientific studies have shown that less than one percent of the trans people who receive these surgeries regret their decision to do so.

Afaict, Caputo only had surgery for breast implants, so I'm not sure why the regret rate of "these surgeries" is relevant?

ConstructionTime · 20/11/2024 23:09

@popeydokey probably just added to appear to give context? Most websites rely on advertising and perhaps there are advertisers who support the stance of the democratic party in this regard.

It will be interesting to see how Keith's vocals might change again.

It appeared to me that Keith Caputo was very unique in the metal scene with his transition and now detransition, and his statement sounds very raw and personal. I never had the impression that the transition was about trends, and it happened much earlier than the mainstream development. He fought a lot of personal battles.
The press release now is surely timed with the election, however, Keith's story started much earlier, a lot earlier than the current debates. This does not appear to be some trendy move, but he probably tacked onto the Republican win because they align with his own message.

kiterunning · 21/11/2024 06:34

These detransitioners will have a large part to play in ending this madness.
Admitting that you've made a mistake takes courage and the backlash will be great but once the ball starts rolling....

ArabellaScott · 21/11/2024 06:52

So sad. I hope detransitioners will get all the support and help they need, perhaps from some of those who so enthusiastically encouraged them to 'transition' in the first place.

MarieDeGournay · 21/11/2024 10:23

miraxxx · 21/11/2024 08:22

Not a nice person. So it is 'brave' to transition and also 'brave' to detransition? It seems to me that there is a lot of attention seeking involved.
https://ultimatemetal.com/threads/former-life-of-agony-drummer-says-mina-caputo-is-a-really-nasty-person-who-is-not-who.1432618/

Well if their disgruntled former drummer says they are nasty, that's that then isn't it?🙄

TWETMIRF · 21/11/2024 11:45

The trans community has no problem with nasty people being trans so why should it be a problem that a nasty person detransitions?

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2024 17:03

kiterunning · 21/11/2024 06:34

These detransitioners will have a large part to play in ending this madness.
Admitting that you've made a mistake takes courage and the backlash will be great but once the ball starts rolling....

Detransitioners will be the strongest opponents in time because they will feel let down and failed.

TheSilkWorm · 21/11/2024 17:07

Well good for him. I hope he never got his penis removed for his sake.

YellowAsteroid · 21/11/2024 17:09

Kudos to him.

We need to support these de-transitioners. They're very brave to face down the power of influence in transactivism, and to admit they got it wrong.

ConstructionTime · 21/11/2024 19:35

Re: the "nasty person" interview; I looked up the text behind the link.

Former drummer Sal Abruscato was airing a couple of different topics.

A main topic was that he has a child with a disability, and at the time his wife was pregnant again; he had to leave the tour due to family emergencies. He thought that the other band members, not just Mina / Keith did not understand the nature of his problems in an emergency and in daily life with the child.
He also composed huge parts of their comeback album and thought that in return, the band could cut him some slack when he needed family time.

Specifically regarding Mina / Keith, there is a telling sentence - quoting Mina from another interview from the above link: "All of the members of the band are so wonderful, holding doors open for me, carrying my bags, making sure I'm safe. They treat me like they treat their wives."

This looks like Caputo, too, fell into the "I'm a feminine lady" performance trap; assuming that behaving like a "typical woman" would make him more woman-like (I am not negating his gender dysphoria, which I think is / was real). Abruscato could have been wondering why his band mate of many years suddenly couldn't carry his own bag on tour anymore, seeing as he knew perfectly well he could do it.
This is of course just a brief glimpse into the band situation, and one small example.

Abruscato told in that interview that he felt the transition was too much in the limelight in contrast to their band output. That's a legit concern to have.

However, Caputo, if his Instagram feed is any indication, changed his mind considerably since then. The interview with the drummer is from 2019.
Caputo also speaks out strongly against medicalisation and explains that he had a lot of therapy even before deciding to transition; that medication should not be the first step in any case.
He is against vaccines and supports JFK jr as health minister, though, not everything is perfect, but on the transition topic he has enough experience to be a believable voice.

InWithThePlums · 28/11/2024 18:48

“Controversially” Confused surely his body his choice?

HobnobsChoice · 28/11/2024 18:54

InWithThePlums · 28/11/2024 18:48

“Controversially” Confused surely his body his choice?

It's very odd writing in that article. The journalist seems to undermine Caputo's own experience
"...Caputo’s decision to de-transition in no way invalidates his previous decision to live as a woman; it merely reflects that his relationship with his gender has changed over time – though a deep dive into his social media suggests there may be more to the story"

It then goes onto suggest he has internalised TERF rhetoric. Even though Keith Captuo has said he was never a woman he was always male but had wrongly made this choice. So we have to believe people are who they say they are unless they detransition in which case we must ignore them and apply our own take on their experience and invalidate their life experience

Littlegoth · 28/11/2024 18:58

WOOHOO! WE MISSED YOU KEITH

Lalgarh · 28/11/2024 19:06

There are some popstar peeps who alter their pronouns every other year

(Her they/them him from Christine and the Queens, I'm looking at you/they/zir) So flipping from one i.d to another shouldn't be all that odd should it?

ArabellaScott · 28/11/2024 19:10

Even a skim read reveals the shockingly partisan nature of that shoddy propaganda.

ConstructionTime · 28/11/2024 19:38

I think the inclusion in the article of how many trans people were murdered should be compared to how many women were murdered (mostly by men) in the same time, or if you really need to go there, how many lesbian or gay people were murdered. Just for a wider perspective.
But in articles let's say about Pride, there is never added any murder statistics of lesbians or how many of the GC marches and events were attacked by others.

Any murder of course is one too many, regardless of who the victim is, but anyways, the murder of trans people has absolutely nothing to do with Keith Caputo. Very sinister and twisted article and practically laying the blame for the detransition at GC people's feet.

annejumps · 28/11/2024 19:50

That Metro article is so unintentionally funny. A newsworthy figure isn't following the social rules we've prescribed—we must take pains to explain to the audience what they should think about all this! I love the "What is a TERF?" sidebar.

I can't seem to get the comments to load 🙄😂

SquirrelSoShiny · 28/11/2024 19:50

HobnobsChoice · 28/11/2024 18:54

It's very odd writing in that article. The journalist seems to undermine Caputo's own experience
"...Caputo’s decision to de-transition in no way invalidates his previous decision to live as a woman; it merely reflects that his relationship with his gender has changed over time – though a deep dive into his social media suggests there may be more to the story"

It then goes onto suggest he has internalised TERF rhetoric. Even though Keith Captuo has said he was never a woman he was always male but had wrongly made this choice. So we have to believe people are who they say they are unless they detransition in which case we must ignore them and apply our own take on their experience and invalidate their life experience

Yes it's all about 'lived experience' until it's the lived experience of detransitioners Hmm

WeaselCheeks · 28/11/2024 20:12

Oh wow. I remember being really shocked when he transitioned, hope this latest decision helps him get to a better place. He certainly looks better. I wonder how much of his original decision to transition was based in internalised homophobia and toxic ideas around what a man should be - he's spoken on how his grandfather used to beat him, and how he was a "sissy". TBF, certain parts of the rock and metal scene weren't great for that in the 90s - the 1980s were a lot more open with all the hair metal!

That Blabbermouth article is so bizarre though - surely they should be using his male pronouns, given that he's flat out said he's a dude and is changing his name back to Keith. It just feels disrespectful.

TWETMIRF · 28/11/2024 21:44

ConstructionTime · 28/11/2024 19:38

I think the inclusion in the article of how many trans people were murdered should be compared to how many women were murdered (mostly by men) in the same time, or if you really need to go there, how many lesbian or gay people were murdered. Just for a wider perspective.
But in articles let's say about Pride, there is never added any murder statistics of lesbians or how many of the GC marches and events were attacked by others.

Any murder of course is one too many, regardless of who the victim is, but anyways, the murder of trans people has absolutely nothing to do with Keith Caputo. Very sinister and twisted article and practically laying the blame for the detransition at GC people's feet.

Listing how many trans people were murdered in the UK compared to the number of trans people who murdered someone is always an interesting stat. Much safer to be a transwoman than I think pretty much anyone else.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/11/2024 22:41

Transgender day of remembrance passed by very low key this year. I totally forgot to ignore it. Nothing from Stonewall, no buildings lit up in trans colours. Perhaps memorialising the tragic death of Tiffany Scott just didn't do it for them?

The Metro article I found to be incredibly transphobic. By their lights twaw so Caputo was a women and always had been. She then, stunning and bravely, transitioned into a man that he had simultaneously and perhaps more accurately always been.

I hope he sticks it out this time, no more binge/purge.

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