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Scottish Secretary: We won’t lift block on Scottish gender reform laws

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fromorbit · 20/11/2024 19:34

Scottish women keep winning.

Ian Murray: We won’t lift block on Scottish gender reform laws

Scottish secretary Ian Murray has reiterated that he will not lift the block on the Scottish Parliament’s gender reform law.

Appearing before the Commons’ Scottish Affairs Committee for the first time in his capacity as a minister, Murray said the courts had ruled the former government’s use of a section 35 order on the Gender Recognition Reform Act was lawful.

“I have said clearly we won’t lift the section 35 order that was put in place on that basis. It’s probably a question for the previous government in terms of whether they should have used it, but it’s a political question for them, not a legal question for us,” he added. More
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,ian-murray-we-wont-lift-block-on-scottish-gender-reform-laws

So the whole thing was stupid sexism. More to the point is Labour's position. The truth is they are scared of getting wrecked like the SNP did. This could feed into their law making.

Ian Murray: We won’t lift block on Scottish gender reform laws

The Scottish secretary said the courts had ruled the former government’s use of a section 35 order on the Gender Recogni...

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,ian-murray-we-wont-lift-block-on-scottish-gender-reform-laws

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LoobiJee · 20/11/2024 22:02

That’s interesting. Wasn’t UK Labour’s position at the time that they agreed with the SNP bill but would have gone about it in a different way - they’d persuade people first and legislators after? Something like that?

fabricstash · 21/11/2024 07:07

Good

fromorbit · 21/11/2024 08:12

LoobiJee · 20/11/2024 22:02

That’s interesting. Wasn’t UK Labour’s position at the time that they agreed with the SNP bill but would have gone about it in a different way - they’d persuade people first and legislators after? Something like that?

Indeed something like that. Complete reverse ferret.

Most are never going to come out and say we were WRONG the women were right. Yet winning is what matters. We are making the world safer and people's health better.

Keep on pushing folks.

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Needmoresleep · 21/11/2024 16:08

It is hard to trust Labour.

Their current position, though welcome, seems opportunistic. Little evidence that they have suddenly seen the light and realised biology matters. Instead they seem to have looked at Sturgeon and Badenoch and decided the latter approach is politically more fruitful.

NitroNine · 22/11/2024 00:20

They don’t even have to reverse the ferret on this one - “we don’t agree with what was done, but it having been confirmed to be lawful it would be wrong to [try to] undo it”. I mean, it’s a poor attempt to please both sides, but there will be people willing to believe.

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/11/2024 00:39

LoobiJee · 20/11/2024 22:02

That’s interesting. Wasn’t UK Labour’s position at the time that they agreed with the SNP bill but would have gone about it in a different way - they’d persuade people first and legislators after? Something like that?

I hate this attitude from Labour (and the Democrats in the US and Left-leaning politicians here in Ireland) - it smacks of thinking the electorate are morons who need complexities of gender explained to them in a way their stunted minds can comprehend. There's no consideration that they, as politicians, see the world through one ideological lens and other people view it through a different lens and just because they're middle-class politicians it doesn't make them automatically correct in their interpretation of reality.

I hate the constant use of phrases like 'we have to bring the public with us', what if the public don't WANT to agree with you?!

/end rant

poormenagain · 22/11/2024 00:49

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/11/2024 00:39

I hate this attitude from Labour (and the Democrats in the US and Left-leaning politicians here in Ireland) - it smacks of thinking the electorate are morons who need complexities of gender explained to them in a way their stunted minds can comprehend. There's no consideration that they, as politicians, see the world through one ideological lens and other people view it through a different lens and just because they're middle-class politicians it doesn't make them automatically correct in their interpretation of reality.

I hate the constant use of phrases like 'we have to bring the public with us', what if the public don't WANT to agree with you?!

/end rant

To paraphrase/translate Bertold Brecht:

After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers' Union
Had leaflets distributed on the Stalinallee
Which stated that the people
Had squandered the confidence of the government
And could only win it back
By redoubled work [quotas]. Would it not in that case
Be simpler for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

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