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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jordan Gray's New Sitcom

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DerekFaker · 18/11/2024 10:19

They who tickled the ivories with they's penis is back with a new sitcom about a trans supermarket worker. Sounds delightful.

Jordan gets annoyed with his female colleagues because they changed the toilets to gender neutral and he doesn't want to use the same toilets as MEN. Uses delightful gendered insults such as "twatflaps" and urinates on a female co-worker's car as revenge, talking about splash-back on his 'tits'.

Here's a clip if you cam stomach it:

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1857483380658503804?t=nGpOlTPtm1ZiA8pdf-HqKg&s=19

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https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1857483380658503804?s=19&t=nGpOlTPtm1ZiA8pdf-HqKg

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/11/2024 20:49

As JG is being so honest, it would be insane, surely, if JG were a boundary trampling type who used women's spaces and took women's platforms....

Unless JG got a kick out of the gaslighting.

OuterSpaceCadet · 18/11/2024 21:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/11/2024 20:49

As JG is being so honest, it would be insane, surely, if JG were a boundary trampling type who used women's spaces and took women's platforms....

Unless JG got a kick out of the gaslighting.

Shudder.

I think I'm going to press on with cheerfully believing he's playing a long game like that Josh something reality TV guy who pretended to be trans for months to show how any man can. If I ever see JG perhaps I'll give him a knowing wink.

YesterdaysFuture · 18/11/2024 23:45

I think the character is supposed to be in the vein of characters like Rab C Nessbit, Alf Garnet, Steptoe etc horrible people that are likeable through their nastiness.

I can see the irony he is trying to do here, but it's very flat and messaging is all over the place.

This will be a big flop, a much bigger flop than his oestrogen shrunk penis.

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2024 00:14

Gosh this is going to age well.

Those viewing figures will be interesting.

Who is the audience for this?!

CorruptedCauldron · 19/11/2024 13:14

From a buzzmag article, link here: www.buzzmag.co.uk/jordan-gray-comedian-first-transgender-second-is-it-a-bird-interview/

Towards the end of the article, Jordan explains the reasoning behind the show.

Jordan: “The buzz phrase for the show was ‘some people are dickheads, some people are transgender, ergo, some transgender people are dickheads!’ Rather than make me a super, suffering saint or over-sexualised villain, which we tend to get portrayed as let’s just make someone who’s a little bit of a knobhead. And that’s me!”

This is interesting, because as we know, activists have a tendency to view the trans community as a sacred caste. Jordan is admitting that there is good and bad in every group. And he’s right. But that’s exactly why women have been objecting to opening up our single-sex spaces to any man who says he’s a woman. We can’t be sure of anyone’s intentions. And even if they were all lovely and gentle and safe to be around, it doesn’t change the fact that our single-sex spaces exist for reasons of privacy and dignity - not just for our safety.

Grammarnut · 19/11/2024 13:48

DerekFaker · 18/11/2024 10:19

They who tickled the ivories with they's penis is back with a new sitcom about a trans supermarket worker. Sounds delightful.

Jordan gets annoyed with his female colleagues because they changed the toilets to gender neutral and he doesn't want to use the same toilets as MEN. Uses delightful gendered insults such as "twatflaps" and urinates on a female co-worker's car as revenge, talking about splash-back on his 'tits'.

Here's a clip if you cam stomach it:

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1857483380658503804?t=nGpOlTPtm1ZiA8pdf-HqKg&s=19

Interesting. Anyone watching it would surely be immediately unsympathetic to the TiM - he's a narcissistic twit.

OuterSpaceCadet · 19/11/2024 14:07

CorruptedCauldron · 19/11/2024 13:14

From a buzzmag article, link here: www.buzzmag.co.uk/jordan-gray-comedian-first-transgender-second-is-it-a-bird-interview/

Towards the end of the article, Jordan explains the reasoning behind the show.

Jordan: “The buzz phrase for the show was ‘some people are dickheads, some people are transgender, ergo, some transgender people are dickheads!’ Rather than make me a super, suffering saint or over-sexualised villain, which we tend to get portrayed as let’s just make someone who’s a little bit of a knobhead. And that’s me!”

This is interesting, because as we know, activists have a tendency to view the trans community as a sacred caste. Jordan is admitting that there is good and bad in every group. And he’s right. But that’s exactly why women have been objecting to opening up our single-sex spaces to any man who says he’s a woman. We can’t be sure of anyone’s intentions. And even if they were all lovely and gentle and safe to be around, it doesn’t change the fact that our single-sex spaces exist for reasons of privacy and dignity - not just for our safety.

Yes it is interesting.

In JG's desire for authenticity he's strayed away from the dogma. He's right that that is groundbreaking in a way. But he's possibly hasn't realised that It was the quasi religious faith that allies have to proclaim as to the saintliness of trans people that keeps the unreasonable demands of hard core activists centered.

Some people will want to watch JG because trans IMO. It may even be funny thanks to Nick Frost. It intrigues me that they'll be laughing along at what would be considered transphobia if uttered by someone else. The cognitive dissonance might spark something in some of them.

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2024 14:15

The trouble is, like Alf Garnett, the idea is that you laugh at the intolerance of the main character.

Yet when they asked viewers about Alf Garnett they found that many sympathised with him and it legitimised their own intolerance.

This isn't something that's unknown by any stretch either.

So to then make a modern day series apparently along the lines of the same premise, to me isn't believable.

I'm deeply cynical about the motivation.

On top of that, even if that is the motivation you run the risk of pissing off your trans allies and worshipful trans people. Or you run the risk of legitimise a deeply unpleasant representation as 'fact'.

Somewhere in the middle of that, there has to be funny - which isn't shitting all over women on the recieving end - with some actual jokes. The clip really isn't.

So I don't see where the audience is going to come from. It's a narrow niche target in an already niche potential audience.

It really sounds like it's in danger of missing the mark on just about every front.

CorruptedCauldron · 19/11/2024 15:08

OuterSpaceCadet · 19/11/2024 14:07

Yes it is interesting.

In JG's desire for authenticity he's strayed away from the dogma. He's right that that is groundbreaking in a way. But he's possibly hasn't realised that It was the quasi religious faith that allies have to proclaim as to the saintliness of trans people that keeps the unreasonable demands of hard core activists centered.

Some people will want to watch JG because trans IMO. It may even be funny thanks to Nick Frost. It intrigues me that they'll be laughing along at what would be considered transphobia if uttered by someone else. The cognitive dissonance might spark something in some of them.

Yes, it would be transphobic coming from anyone else. Imagine someone like Catherine Tate doing a sketch where she plays an unpleasant, misogynistic TW who insults women and urinates on their cars. It wouldn’t be accepted, unlike her closeted gay man and his “how very dare you” hiss.

teawamutu · 19/11/2024 15:13

I've just watched the clip.

He really is saying the quiet part out loud, isn't he?

teawamutu · 19/11/2024 15:14

It's basically Russell Brand with tits.

ThreeWordHarpy · 19/11/2024 17:00

I can’t work out Jordan Grey. The infamous song that ended with his full frontal exposure seemed to be quite satirical when saying “I’m a girl, I’m a better girl than you and it’s allll about meeee”, up to the point he ripped off his dress. The premise for this program that TW are humans and some humans are unpleasant seems to be honest.

So like others, I can’t quite work out who his target audience are. Is he trying to pitch himself as the “reasonable” TW? I’ve seen him as a guest on programs such as The Last Leg and tbh he didn’t appear to have much to say away from his stage act.

TinaYouFatLard · 19/11/2024 17:11

It’s like Mary Cate Delvey’s “listen to transwomen” clips on Twitter!

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