Old Vic gender neutral toilets naffness

[SarkyMummy]

At the Old Vic last night. Hadn’t been for a while and think they’ve changed the loos to gender neutral toilets - possibly with a disabled toilet separately. (Separate note: accessibility for my elderly mother was poor).

The signs on the door have no images or names on them - just what you can expect to find behind the door. On left, toilets and baby changing. On the right, toilets and urinals. So let’s infer who is intended to do the baby changing..

So confusing do people find the signs that they have a member of staff there to signpost you to the correct loo for you - it appears by eye balling you and making a call on your behalf.

What a mess!

IANAL but it looks as if the Old Vic will be reverse ferreting shortly with their deiscriminatory attitude to women and single sex toilets. The article in this thread seems very clear:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5337814-very-clear-article-on-legal-position-for-retailers-and-single-sex-facilities?reply=144402417

I expect they’re amongst the ‘unable and unwilling’ mentioned in this article:

Culture leaders 'unwilling' to police which toilets people use https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g7j5r0qpyo

I think complaints are just the tip of the iceberg; these organisations just cannot believe women have had the gall to have it confirmed by the SC that they may to go to the loo without the supervision of men.

I think I will now, post the SC, be writing to them. Have taken a few days to think about it, but now feel it is ridiculous that there is no single sex provision for the women.

Thanks for this. I’ll use that when I draft my letter!

I assume women would win a claim of discrimination as provision is clearly less suitable for them than for men. But a court case would take forever and cost money.

Hopefully the EHRC will soon finalize their guidelines and start taking enforcement action which will make them sit up and take notice.

Was at the old vic tonight and a staff member ushered me towards the cubicles as I was standing there a bit puzzled.

when I came out a man asked me if they were gender neutral. I said they were cubicles and women were using them and he should think of the SC ruling.

I suppose some men won’t be able to use the urinals and so will have to go in the cubicles.

I can't remember is it cubicles/ urinals in one space or simply urinals.

If former use the fucking cubicle/ urinal space (it's what I do at the Barbican). Men won't understand all the fuss until it is THEIR space that is starting to feel usafe/ embarassing/ difficult.

I've posted about it on here before but my fully paid up TWAW/ Stonewall are right/ You are a terrible bigot friend gets really twitchy when I go into the cubicle/ urinal one.

Apparently I should think of the men who might be distressed by me potentially catching a glimpse of their tadger. Given that my employer has unlawfully legislated that all changing rooms/ toilets and wards (oh yes, it's a hospital) should be accessible based on gender fucking identity which means I share my changing space with men and said friend has been less than supportive about my discomfort over this then I've told him very clearly I don't care and will continue to use the toilet of my choice.

We should do this en masse.