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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Queer botany

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/11/2024 19:19

I know this was touched on a few months ago in relation to an exhibition at Kew, and I didn't understand it then either. Recently we went to the National Trust Tudor property Sutton House in Homerton (well worth a visit, btw). The adjacent tiny parcel of land was donated to the NT on condition that this former scrapyard was turned into a garden, which was done a couple of years ago. Very nice it looks too. However, it is apparently an example of queer botany. Why? Can anyone explain this to me in extremely simple terms? Does it simply mean that some of the people involved in designing and planting it identify as queer and a few of the plants have assocation with gay icons? It surely isn't implying anything about sexual reproduction, is it?

https://www.queerbotany.com/projects/platinum-garden

platinum garden — queer botany

Built in 1535, Sutton House is a Tudor manor house on Homerton High Street, in the  London Borough of Hackney. The adjacent Breaker's Yard was once a car-breaker’s yard. Because of this, the plants there need to be able to grow in poor s...

https://www.queerbotany.com/projects/platinum-garden

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DontStopMe · 16/11/2024 12:35

Your garden sounds fabulous, woollyhatter.
And thank you Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g, it looks like a place that's worth a visit.
The only thing I have to add is that slugs are actually hermaphrodites, so should obviously be welcomed in that garden.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/11/2024 12:40

Some slugs and snails also seem to be into kink 😲

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_dart

Love dart - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_dart

ArabellaScott · 16/11/2024 12:52

Is it time for me to share my video of slugs mating?

ArabellaScott · 16/11/2024 12:53

Feel free to skip it if I've bored you with it before. 😁

ArabellaScott · 16/11/2024 12:54

lcakethereforeIam · 16/11/2024 12:40

Some slugs and snails also seem to be into kink 😲

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_dart

Fascinating!

DontStopMe · 16/11/2024 12:56

Wow. Fascinating indeed, but it's put me off my lunch.

woollyhatter · 16/11/2024 13:06

BaronessBomburst · 16/11/2024 12:22

Oh @woollyhatter that is wonderful!
Do you have photographs of your gardens?

Here you go

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woollyhatter · 16/11/2024 13:14

woollyhatter · 16/11/2024 13:06

Here you go

Forgot the auricula thing.

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mumda · 16/11/2024 13:17

Bannedontherun · 15/11/2024 21:24

The young ones come to mind…. We sow the seed…. Dont know how to post it if someone else can oblige….

I got this in my head when Rachel Reeves was saying they were going to grow the economy.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/11/2024 13:19

woollyhatter · 16/11/2024 13:06

Here you go

Wow!

lcakethereforeIam · 16/11/2024 13:26

ArabellaScott · 16/11/2024 12:53

Feel free to skip it if I've bored you with it before. 😁

I nearly posted that video, it's extraordinary and strangely beautiful. You have to wonder how that evolved. I bet a...?... gastropologist could explain the steps.

Leopard slugs are native to this country. Has anyone, say when walking their dogs late at night, ever got a face full of randy slugs?

Note to self, don't walk under trees after dark during the spring and summer.

MarieDeGournay · 16/11/2024 13:27

That's so impressive woollyhatter ! And I love the lesbian subtext.

I originally phrased that 'I love your lesbian subtext' but changed it as it was too open to oo-er missus interpretation - not that anyone here would ever indulge in such immature silliness of course, it would never even cross our minds..Grin

ArabellaScott · 16/11/2024 13:34

woollyhatter that is an amazing garden.

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 14:01

My late DH did this sort of thing, using 'found' items e.g. bread trays, paint pots, old sofas etc as plant tubs. He also planted wild flowers, and what most people call weeds (flowers out of place). He wasn't queer (though some called him eccentric he rejected this label, kaftans, silk hats/shirts, flowing shirts, buckskins, military coats, tharbs, academic gowns etc were his style, thanks, along with 3-piece suits and fedoras and Harris tweed) but on the contrary entirely male (apart from no interest in the internal combustion engine - painter, writer, poet, youth worker, hill farmer). I don't think it's a 'queer' garden, it's like mine, a 'found' garden. Label is just virtue signalling. Is that OP in the picture? Nice dress and jewellery, if so.

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Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 14:02

ArabellaScott · 16/11/2024 12:52

Is it time for me to share my video of slugs mating?

That might be too much for MN. Aren't slugs hermaphrodites - or is that worms?

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 14:05

Geneticsbunny · 15/11/2024 20:12

I think it is about promoting diversity within horticulture, which is important because it is a very white, straight, male space. Whilst this may not seem to be a huge advancement, recognising that non straight, white males have had an influence in horticulture is progress. I look forwards to the promotion of lady gardens which I am sure will follow...

Many famous gardeners have been women, and traditionally the garden, most often the veg garden, was the province of the housewife. And gardens have been made all over the world - by non-white men, mostly.
NB Lady garden...? Now that would be interesting.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/11/2024 14:14

Christopher Lloyd, John Treasure, Cedric Morris, Graham Stuart Thomas, Harold Nicholson, V.Sackville West ( married but both gay as well) their two lady gardeners….okay ‘white’ but certainly not straight.

They are all dead , I’m not naming the living.

And no one cared.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/11/2024 14:36

I Hope they are growing carrots

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ArminTamzerian · 16/11/2024 14:45

yukikata · 15/11/2024 21:48

It's OK if you don't personally connect to a particular exhibition or project. Not everyone connects/ relates to everything. Just leave the people who do connect with it to enjoy it.

That's not the point though, is it?

BaronessBomburst · 16/11/2024 15:16

That's a lovely garden @woollyhatter and so very, very clever and funny. 😂 Thank you.

inkymoose · 16/11/2024 15:56

LilyBartsHatShop · 16/11/2024 04:55

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g "I looked at the home page of Queer Botany. There were words there. They didn't seem to work together to impart meaning in the way that I'm used to seeing."
I don't speak French, so I have to take her word for it, but Camille Paglia (in either Sexual Personae or Sex, Art and American Culture ... I can't remember which) argues that much of Derrida's writing is an elabourate joke in which he writes paragraphs made up of gramatically, formally correct sentences that lack semantic content. Trying to be funny but also trying to show the difference between signigified and signifier, or maybe all the things that language does apart from conveying meaning.

It works in French, but not in English. So (according to Paglia) lots of academics in the anglosphere spent the 70s and 80s poring over his works in translation, attributing various meanins to paragraphs of text that have no meaning.

Is the same thing true of Sartre?

BaronessBomburst · 16/11/2024 16:04

Satre taught me, and a whole class load of 15 year old girls, the French for wanking. Never forgotten that.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 16/11/2024 16:17

What I get out of it, after much thought, is that they probably don't need to spend too much on fertiliser, on account of being so far up their own arses.

yukikata · 17/11/2024 08:04

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/11/2024 21:59

I enjoyed the garden a lot. What I didn't understand was why it had the label 'queer' attached to it.

Why do you need to understand?

There's a group called Queer Botany who, it sounds like, are exploring the LGBT+ community connecting to plant life.

You don't get that - that's fine. You don't need to understand it or be part of it.

It's a completely harmless project for people who are interested in it.

Tukmgru · 17/11/2024 08:17

Lot of homophobia in the first two dozen or so posts. I guess in the desperation to be The Best Transphobe On The Feminism Board, the mask has slipped for a fair few posters. Good to see your true colours, folks, thanks for exposing yourselves!

The subsequent posts about haploids, slugs mating, and actual queer botany are great! Once you get past the homophobes pretending they’re ‘just’ transphobes.