Debate Night Scotland - 24 genders

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Just a head's up for anyone who hasn't watched this yet which took place last night and is now on BBC IPlayer. A woman called Sally (I missed her surname, must rewatch) brought up the Scottish Government's gender nonsense and said succinctly how much money has been wasted on this misogynistic and homophobic ideology. She was great.

The topic was then actually discussed rather than quickly bypassed which was refreshing and it was agreed, even by SNP Fiona Hyslop that there - shock - aren't 24 genders.

Around 50.30 secs in for anyone wanting to bypass the rest (wouldn't blame you!).

The clip is available on For Women Scotland YouTube channel

Thanks will watch this later

That was interesting to watch.

The question was discussed but I’m not sure most of the panel said anything more substantial than #BeKind™️

The lady who objected to being described as ‘cis’ did a woeful job of explaining her reasoning for objecting. I was hoping she would be more coherent.

Yeah I agree, she danced around it but at least went on the record. Quite sad really to be glad for even the smallest of steps.

Not at all, all these wee glimmers of hope add up in the end! You change minds one at a time and this debate may have given viewers pause for thought. I saw one or two men nodding heads in the audience when the questioner was giving additional information on her reason for asking the question.

The question was good. The statistician on the panel who spoke about the purpose of the advice (to be able to code free text entries by those who were expanding on answers or choosing other sounds fair, except she then gave an example of race as being a sensitive issue for answers in previous census. A better example is gender. The final politician gave a politicians answer 'there must be a way to make everyone happy' I think it was him who said that hearing the question felt like a problem. Was not helpful. (He did not say this but he implied this). It was a women should wheest speech but said kindly. He and the staristician got applause. Loud and sounded like a few applauding. No applause for any critical answers or for the question. The interviewer was good and I felt knew the issues. It felt like we've a long way to go. But some signs of fight back.

Nodding man nodded at the liberal let's all agree answer too. He seemed a nodding type. It would be interesting to see the rest of the audience. Only a few (less than 5, maybe only 2) clapped. But it's the confident few who drown out the thoughtful and silent others in all this.

Thanks for sharing this, will watch later.

Agreed. But equally, it was rather painful watching the final speaker in the clip saying "I am a liberal....so......".

So what? I too am a liberal but I'm happy to have an opinion that goes beyond live and let live. Whilst I fully accept that some people believe that they have a gender identity that differs from their sex, and that some find this distessing, I'm not going to accept their gender identity as fact i.e. as more important than their sex in sports and spaces etc.

Nodding man nodded at the liberal let's all agree answer too. He seemed a nodding type. It would be interesting to see the rest of the audience. Only a few (less than 5, maybe only 2) clapped. But it's the confident few who drown out the thoughtful and silent others in all this.

This sums the last man up perfectly. Also there was something very irksome and patronising about the way he described women: like women are a nebulous category of vulnerable people that nobody could quite pin down, or ever really should.

The number of Scottish genders are back to being two in the latest development.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5199979-there-are-only-two-genders-scottish-government-says

I wish surveys would record both sex and gender - with clear explanations for each (yes, I know they should not be necessary but we are where we are).

And also an option for 'no I don't have a gender identity thank you very much, I'm too old and far too busy'

For balance, I'd like to see 24 categories of "N/A" 😁

Mine is "I don't believe anyone has one".

If they don't include my category, I won't feel valid. (Although in fairness, I'm not sure I'd be allowed to identify as Scottish to complete the survey in the first place).

I wholeheartedly agree that politicians who trot out the old ‘surely we can compromise’ line remind me of the politicians who believe that a form of encryption key can be created that allows only good governments to read encrypted material but will also somehow prevent bad actors from accessing the encrypted material.

Sometimes there is no compromise possible on an issue - there is no way to allow men to claim a female identity that doesn’t undermine women’s rights but for some reason a lot of politicians are blind to this fact (either wilfully or through lack of interest in the subject).