Megyn Kelly discusses the problems with the 'affirmation only' model of gender medicine - Real Time with Bill Maher (25 Oct 2024)

[UtopiaPlanitia]

On the recent episode, Megyn was interviewed by Bill and, as one of the two important issues that was informing her vote in the US election, she brought up the issue of children being damaged by 'affirmation only' medical organisations and she made the secondary point that gender identity negatively affects women's rights/spaces. She spoke about this in front of a hostile to indifferent studio audience but, as the interviewer, Bill was not hostile or indifferent on the issue.

I went to find the interview on YouTube to post here because I thought FWR would find it interesting. For some reason the YouTube version of the interview doesn't have the section where she discussed gender affirmation with Bill (who was on her side - he even mentioned the Cass Review).

So, instead of the full interview, I'm posting links to two videos discussing the interview: I've noted the relevant times when 'affirmation only' is discussed:

This video is Megyn herself discussing her time on the Bill Maher show (time 5.49 to 7.45):

The second is Amala Ekpunobi discussing the interview and how much Maher has moved on this issue (time 0.00 to 8.19):

If you have access to Sky TV then Real Time with Bill Maher is available on Catch Up and Megyn is the first guest interviewed.

I saw the show. She didn't come off well at all. She was angrily ranting about immigrants (the usual xenophobic bullshit about alleged criminals) and seemed quite unhinged.

I found it difficult to watch. She’s just - ranting. In the parts with Bill Maher, she talks over him. She’s just a paid Trump minion anyway.

She’s 100% right that children are being sterilised and having any sexual function removed before having body parts removed. Of course people like Messina find it a difficult watch, you support such actions don’t you? It’s difficult to see what you support stated so clearly, I presume?

She’s just a paid Trump minion anyway.

What does that mean when she stood in opposition to him for years and was a stand-out in the run-up to Trump being elected by making a public stand against him? She's decided to support him this time round because, warts-and-all, she considers he'd be better for America than Harris but that's her right.

Here's a relatively short segment with her speaking out about treatment of children:

https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1850026019354288357

She can be right about some things and wrong about others. She's dead right on the wrongness about what's being done to children.

Why would I support that? Have I ever stated so? No.

@nauticant

What does that mean when she stood in opposition to him for years and was a stand-out in the run-up to Trump being elected by making a public stand against him? She's decided to support him this time round because, warts-and-all, she considers he'd be better for America than Harris but that's her right.

Think that through a little more. She's actually been on his side longer than what you imply, and of course it's everyone's right to change their mind so radically. Actually, though, she's one of a stable of paid podcasters. She isn't doing it out of the kindness of her heart.

I'm not suggesting all of her beliefs are faux - just some of them.

So you don’t support the medical affirmation pathway for children? You oppose it?

Actually, though, she's one of a stable of paid podcasters.

Paid by whom? Your She’s just a paid Trump minion anyway implies she's paid by Trump. Are you claiming that's the case?

I listen/watch Megan Kelly. US ( politics, system/structure) sometimes goes over my head but i feel like i have learned a lot. She is clear about supporting Trump, but mostly not supporting Harris.

As ex MSM she is scathing about poor journalism. So I'd be interested to know more about her being paid mouthpiece (who/how).

I loved this today ...Women elevating women... Megyn comes across as striving to be well informed across the political landscape. Id be sad to have been duped

@NotBadConsidering

You asked, "She’s 100% right that children are being sterilised and having any sexual function removed before having body parts removed. Of course people like Messina find it a difficult watch, you support such actions don’t you?"

To be absolutely clear for you, NO.

Sure.

You're saying that she's paid by Trump for her show? She likely makes a couple of million just from youtube alone.

If you're going to post false stuff to derail threads, could you not put in more of an effort?

For anyone else interested in the subject of this thread, this is well worth a couple of minutes of watching: https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1850026019354288357

That’s good to hear.

So what do you have against women like Megyn Kelly, KJK, and Moira Deeming speaking out against it then?

@NotBadConsidering

So what do you have against women like Megyn Kelly, KJK, and Moira Deeming speaking out against it then?

See above for MK; I'm not sure why you're bringing KJK and Moira Deeming into this thread.

It isn't derailing if it's about the actual subject of the thread. You can't cry "derail" because you don't like what a poster is saying.

I'm sorry that hearing Megyn Kelly is a paid Trump apologist has bothered you. I would have thought it was obvious.

I’m really glad to see Bill Maher has changed his opinion from the standard sneering statement of ‘no-one’s doing that to kids’ to a more informed understanding of what is happening in gender clinics.

He’s knowledgeable about the Cass Review, he knows that America still employs methods of treating children that European countries are no longer using, and he’s a firm proponent of bodily integrity being an important form of health that this gender medicalisation is damaging. I was impressed at his level of understanding that was expressed in the interview.

I’m also glad to see someone come straight out on American television and say what’s happening to confused children. I can’t thank Megyn enough for speaking about it on a popular show that’s watched by a wide range of viewers.

I’m also not surprised that she was angry when discussing it, it fills me with rage what is being done to children and I can wholeheartedly sympathise with her anger.

Having once been described myself on this board as a shill for Donald Trump, I don't take those kinds of accusations as seriously as I did a few years ago.

I don't watch Bill Maher very often so I don't know what he's said previously about the topic, but it looks like he's done his homework which I find reassuring.

Megyn Kelly is a paid Trump minion? Are Trump minions a different colour to other minions? Are they orange with suits rather than yellow with overalls?

However, I too would like to know ‘who’ is paying her? And what makes a person who might vote a particular way a ‘minion’ for that person? Or is she directly paid by Trump ? It is a fairly serious accusation that I think probably needs to be evidenced if it is her being paid directly by the Republican Party or Trump. Or at least clarified as to what this accusation actually relates to.

Otherwise it seems to be a distraction meant to discredit her.

I think evidence is definitely required. Please share the receipts with us Messina.

We've all seen it too often now where someone says that we mustn't listen to X because of Y which means that they are a Z and therefore anything coming out of their mouth must be ignored (or you must think the opposite or you will also be a Z).

So my scepticism is high for good reason, but I am completely open to looking at any evidence that confirms your assertion. Of course, even if you can prove without any doubt that your assertion is correct, this does not mean that Megyn is wrong about the specific issues with puberty blockers and the affirmation only model for gender questioning youth.

I am not a huge fan of Megyn Kelly’s politics on lot of issues but I think she does have some opinions I’m interested in and would like to discuss but I keep seeing this happen on threads a lot this last year: people posting “Don’t listen to so and so on X or Y issue because they have an incorrect opinion on some other issue(s)”.

I just want to document, highlight, and discuss issues/topics that are relevant to women, (and also, when it comes to gender, discuss issues/topics that affect children and gay people). I’m also interested in the wider public discussion about too; irrespective of which public figure is making statements in the public sphere, I want to hear what they have to say and to see if they make any points that are useful or relevant.

I even want to hear from people I disagree with but I’m fed up of being drive by snarked at for mentioning the ‘wrong’ sort of people, I’m fed up of posters coming on to threads and trying to foreclose the discussion because they don’t like all the views held by a public figure who’s being discussed. If you disagree with something a public figure or an MN poster has said that’s absolutely fine - we’re a discussion forum so post your point and your evidence and let’s discuss but I wish people would stop trying to make out there’s something wrong with listening to/discussing/mentioning people who hold a wide range of views on a wide range of topics.

Because your posting history is to consistently pop up on threads about right wing women to castigate them for…being right wing women, even though we’ve established on this thread you agree with what they actually say.

I'm interested to know why you refuse to acknowledge the correctness of such women or give them any credit, and instead to focus on other things they say, purely because of their political persuasion.

@UtopiaPlanitia

For the doubters, as I wrote above:

I'm not suggesting all of her beliefs are faux - just some of them.

I can agree with some of them, but I don't have to agree with all them. I think that's how most people work, and in fact, what @UtopiaPlanitia hinted at in her post. I'm not suggesting that the fact Megyn Kelly is right-wing means that you should ignore what she says - please copy any post where I have said that. It is up to you to consider the source of your information, not me.

I always find it remarkable that so-called intelligent women think that a simple different opinion is "closing down the discussion" or the mention that someone is right-wing or - SHOCK! - receives remuneration for their content can be so inflammatory.

I do find MK a bit ranty. However, I have realized that I find this about the vast majority of American news people. They seem over the top, and often kind of anti-intellectual, whether you are watching the right or left news broadcasts. They never seem to make the best arguments for whatever they are trying to convince us if, and they always offer straw man versions of their opponents.

Any woman who votes for Trump is no feminist ally. I can’t even believe a sentence like that even needs writing. It’s like saying ‘women don’t have penises’. Yeah, duh? Or at least it used to be obvious to everyone. Except we live in a topsy turvy world where if a Trump shill says the right words about GC issues, that’s noteworthy. It isn’t.

I don’t agree with everything they say, just some things. In the past, I have given credit to KJK on here for giving a voice to women via her ‘Let Women Speak’ sessions. I think those are incredibly powerful. However, her own voice has become more toxic and progressively more right-wing over the last few years. This may not bother you, but it reflects a general move in feminism that is disturbing to me. The pushback I (and the very few others like me) receive on this board is a mirror of this.