A couple of Sunday morning thoughts

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The TRAs like to tell us that cis is an acceptable word to call people and I have often heard it used as similar to straight or heathen. I have no problem being called straight or heterosexual as everybody has a sexuality and I am a woman attracted to men. Heathen is a term used by some Christians to describe people that don't believe in Christianity. I joke that I am a heathen due to my Catholic education, it's just so batcrap crazy that I became an atheist in primary school.

Cis is not an equivalent as it presupposes a belief in gender. Trans is people who believe they have a gender identity which isn't the same as their sex and cis is people who have a gender identity that matches their sex. Genderists can't have that much faith in their belief system as they don't allow people to not believe. Religions have terms for unbelievers as they are so confident in their belief that it doesn't crumble if someone says gods don't exist. Genderists know that their system only works if everyone believes in it because it's so flimsy.

Queer being reclaimed as a word means that it's being used widely to replace gay/lesbian/homosexual. The people doing this say it's a positive thing due to the previous negative connotation of the term.

Let's compare this to the reclaiming of the n word. Some black people are reclaiming the word but it's widely understood to only be acceptable to be used by black people either by themselves or others who are happy to be called it by their peers. It's totally unacceptable for anyone who isn't black to use the term, even if the black person being referred to uses it about themselves.

Queer is not only used by straight people to describe gay men, lesbians and bisexual people, it's used whether the LGB person is happy with the term or finds it deeply homophobic.

Black people are not calling all black people the n word and are not setting up groups for n*rs. The black people murdered by the KKK are not being retrospectively called n words. Queer activists however are very much doing the same to LGB people whether they like it or not.

Many large companies have LGBTQ groups and they often provide information about how allies can support their colleagues. They will use the term queer quite happily as if it's a non controversial term. Can you imagine if say, the NHS sent out something to employees to let them know how to support their n word colleagues?

That was a lot longer than I expected, sorry.

The way the words cis and queer are used is nothing to do with how activists say they compare with other terms. It's just more lies from the intolerant TRAs

I react to the q word like I do to the n word. It's appalling yet so many people insist it's not offensive. Imagine white people insisting the n word wasn't offensive? There would rightly be a huge uproar.

Yes, it's a deeply homophobic term and I only used it in full in this post to make it clear what word I meant.

I'm happy for gender believers to call themselves "cis woman" or "cis man" because they believe TWAW. If that's how they identify, fine. I won't be referring to anyone using those terms though.

I don't believe TWAW or TMAM. (Because they aren't....) so I won't accept being called a cis woman because I don't identify as a "cis" woman. That should be quite simple you'd think.

I just find it mildly amusing these days that in the gender ideology belief system we have:
Cis women and
Trans women
If you ask them "so what is a woman?" The answer they cry is "anyone who identifies as a woman".
Likewise a man is anyone who identifies as a man...
So the conclusion is that a woman is anybody and a man is anybody.

What's the point of either label "woman" or "man" then? What does it actually amount to? ..... Tumbleweed. Because there's no reason behind any of it. Not to even get started on the hypocrisy that you can identify as anything you like but I can't identify how I like (just a woman, thanks. On it's own).

At the end of the day you can't tie yourself in knots over the arguments presented by gender ideologists, "oh it's just like..... It's like being gay!" Or "it's just a, um, harmless scientific description!" Or whatever, because all they have are bad analogies, flat out lies, and hyper-hyperbole.

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The insistence of supposedly highly educated posters doubling down on the use of 'cis' over the past couple of months made me start posting about the meaninglessness of that word. I even created a graphic. I noticed the other day the poster who spurred me to do this had changed name and I suspect will be changing again after their posts on another thread where I brought this pic out this week.

Because as you say, cis forcibly recategorises all people into believing people have a gender identity while also removing the words that female people need to discuss their unique body type and their needs based on sex. It was never fit for the purpose it is being put to.

As you say, this repurposing of established words is based on the Queer Theory movement of destabilising societal mores.

What has been achieved though, is a cultural subset language where many words now have these meanings where they now mean the opposite to what they were intended to be used for. Or have been repurposed to be meaningless in the case of 'cis'.

Of course, there have always been cultural subsets of established languages. What has happened here though, is that this subset of language has been elevated to be the dominant language by some organisations (including the ones that control how people are discussed in media). As per the very long term strategy leading to the Denton's report and some organisations media guides etc.

This elevation has been done to the harm of all female people though. And that harm is being dismissed, denied or minimised by those doing it. That is gaslighting.

I have got to a place where I am over the 'what is a woman' discussions. Not because I don't fully agree with asking the question, but because I am tired of the pigeon chess that comes in answer or the silence.

Because of the constant early goady posts where activist posters tried to tie up my posts with the facile 'I am a woman and I have a penis therefore what you have posted includes me', I just switched to female /male people.

I am sure it pisses off many on FWR but I am thick skinned enough that I actually don't care if people on FWR are pissed off at me, as long as I can post clearly - and I have enough effort expended pretzeling my posts to fit within the guidelines so I don't get deleted. And often, female people is the most precise term. Particularly in sports and threads discussing bodies.

I also get tired of having to look at the username and remember what view that poster might have before replying to a post to make sure that I have understood the post correctly.

What a world. It is sometimes hard to maintain optimism.

Mm, I wouldn’t use straight because it origins are in criminalised homosexuality. I’d use heterosexual. I would object to heathen as well, it is about people not in specific religious groups and has connotations of being lesser or uncivilised. People’s religious beliefs are their own, I’m an atheist. Tbh cis is like heathen and that’s exactly why I would object to both terms. Both work on the basis of a presupposed belief and by accepting the terminology one tacitly acknowledges the belief system as reality.

I wouldn’t use queer, but I wouldn’t police someone else’s positive use of it while feeling uncomfortable. I would object to it being used as a slur.

I’m no longer going to use my energy debating semantics with those who have different beliefs. You can’t out fact a belief system.