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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cricket, no not those ones, a duck (possibly a drake)

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lcakethereforeIam · 17/10/2024 17:56

Cricket banning men from women's elite sport the rest the a free for all

https://archive.ph/gb0vR bypass the paywall

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/10/17/english-cricket-ban-transgender-elite-level-not-grassroots/

Edited to add link.

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Igmum · 18/10/2024 07:16

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/10/2024 22:53

The ECB has managed to get it even more wrong than most. Not only the lack of consideration of grassroots level, they have actually managed to explicitly ban some women from the women's category.

Transmen - regardless of whether they are taking hormones or not - can play only in the open, not the women's games at any level

Transwomen, of course, can play in either at recreational level.

https://x.com/EnarialP/status/1847000658357997768?

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Do you think the ECB think TM are biological men and TW biological women? It's a fairly common mistake for those not mired in the gender swamp. (Not excusing it if they are confused, this is a damaging and dangerous mistake to make.)

dutypie · 18/10/2024 07:20

Burner name change as ECB staff member 🫣
That's a cracking article from the telegraph and I agree with every word of it.

The policy was written knowing about SCEG and the balance of fairness/inclusion conclusion (not being possible).

dutypie · 18/10/2024 07:20

@Igmum no, not the case I'm afraid

Igmum · 18/10/2024 07:41

In which case the treatment of TM and NB is lunacy....

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/10/2024 07:42

dutypie · 18/10/2024 07:20

Burner name change as ECB staff member 🫣
That's a cracking article from the telegraph and I agree with every word of it.

The policy was written knowing about SCEG and the balance of fairness/inclusion conclusion (not being possible).

So they openly favoured the trans agenda? A quick google shows there's a prolific LGBTQ etc employee network at the ECB. Maybe where all the Victorian misogynists congregate and have been able to work to destroy women's cricket?

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/3886348/the-lgbtq-community-in-cricket-employee-network#:~:text=Our%20vision%20is%20to%20make,influence%20positive%20change%20within%20cricket

The LGBTQ+ Community in Cricket Employee Network

<i>Information about cricket's LGBTQ+ Community in Cricket Employee Network</i>

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/3886348/the-lgbtq-community-in-cricket-employee-network#:~:text=Our%20vision%20is%20to%20make,influence%20positive%20change%20within%20cricket

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/10/2024 08:00

Igmum · 18/10/2024 07:16

Do you think the ECB think TM are biological men and TW biological women? It's a fairly common mistake for those not mired in the gender swamp. (Not excusing it if they are confused, this is a damaging and dangerous mistake to make.)

No, they set out definitions in their FAQ. https://resources.ecb.co.uk/ecb/document/2022/03/15/1270e3ce-7e82-4d5f-9f1d-0233f8907e31/Trans-Playing-Policy-FAQs-2022.pdf

In which they also say sex (as well as gender) is a spectrum. And bizarrely, that 'being trans is as common as having red hair' - a lie usually applied to DSDs, not to trans identities. So they've not even understood the propaganda correctly, never mind the science.

Cricket, no not those ones, a duck (possibly a drake)
MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/10/2024 08:05

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/10/2024 08:00

No, they set out definitions in their FAQ. https://resources.ecb.co.uk/ecb/document/2022/03/15/1270e3ce-7e82-4d5f-9f1d-0233f8907e31/Trans-Playing-Policy-FAQs-2022.pdf

In which they also say sex (as well as gender) is a spectrum. And bizarrely, that 'being trans is as common as having red hair' - a lie usually applied to DSDs, not to trans identities. So they've not even understood the propaganda correctly, never mind the science.

So they're yet another organisation that's beclowned themselves by cut and pasting transactivist demands to trash women's sport and used zero thought, insight or sporting / scientific knowledge to tempoer those demands. 🙄

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/10/2024 08:07

And the definitions are also given in in the policies, e.g. : https://resources.ecb.co.uk/ecb/document/2021/03/16/acf76d0f-f74b-4e37-8b1a-c1b1c8a4e6a7/25.ECB-Policy-on-Trans-People-Paying-Cricket-2021-vF.pdf

Cricket, no not those ones, a duck (possibly a drake)
NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/10/2024 08:12

The account that made the Tweet I posted last night is now protected, so here's a screenshot of the relevant bit of regs for recreational games.

Cricket, no not those ones, a duck (possibly a drake)
BellaAmorosa · 18/10/2024 08:37

Igmum · 18/10/2024 07:16

Do you think the ECB think TM are biological men and TW biological women? It's a fairly common mistake for those not mired in the gender swamp. (Not excusing it if they are confused, this is a damaging and dangerous mistake to make.)

I think they are mainly just following the mad queer theory soaked logic of genderism. Nothing has to make sense outside the specific area it applies to.

dutypie · 18/10/2024 09:20

@MrsOvertonsWindow yes trans agenda is a high priority.
I've been concerned for a while that it conflicts with growing the game for girls, particularly Muslim girls.
We won't know who ruled out cricket for their daughters, and chose a different sport. It's totally at odds with the Chair's desire for us to be the most inclusive sport.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 18/10/2024 09:57

The final paragraph of the first article is cracking. Once you stop talking about transwomen and start talking about men the whole thing falls apart. Hence the strenuous attempts to police our language here

If I have a 13-year-old girl who needs to change because she has just started her period, she could well be sharing a confined space with a man who, under ECB policy, has decided they are now female,” a source said. “I have real concerns about that.”

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/10/2024 10:02

dutypie · 18/10/2024 09:20

@MrsOvertonsWindow yes trans agenda is a high priority.
I've been concerned for a while that it conflicts with growing the game for girls, particularly Muslim girls.
We won't know who ruled out cricket for their daughters, and chose a different sport. It's totally at odds with the Chair's desire for us to be the most inclusive sport.

This is the trouble isn't it. These governing bodies wibble on about "inclusion" and how hard it is for men who claim to be women, all the while ignoring their catastrophic exclusion of women and girls from the sport. But they never have to answer for it.
Which is a shame as once our prime minister was ridiculed for spouting nonsense about what a woman was etc, he suddenly changed his mind and remembered that sex matters.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/10/2024 10:32

The Times have reported on it, unfortunately I cocked up copying the link so just take my word for it 😁 It was very bland, imo, just the bare bones.

Not one of the articles I've read has picked up on the treatment of women with trans or NB identities.

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Forester1 · 18/10/2024 10:53

i thought their position was re TW but also hadn’t seen that they are excluding TM and NB biological women are excluded from the female category.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/10/2024 11:23

Not one of the articles I've read has picked up on the treatment of women with trans or NB identities.

Because nobody cares if women - any women, regardless of gender identity - are excluded.

FetchezLaVache · 18/10/2024 11:50

What's really disgusting is that the ban on TW at elite level but not grassroots shows that the ECB is concerned about egregious unfairness only if it's a) visible to a broader public and b) likely to cause sponsors to pull out. Once you decide men can't play elite women's cricket because of physical differences, there's absolutely no argument in favour of allowing them to play, say, village cricket - which I used to play and a lot of teams are about 50% teenage girls. I played as a teenager myself and it's scary enough facing bowling from grown women, never mind grown fucking men.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/10/2024 11:52

I'm not surprised Bint. I'm spelling it out for anyone reading. It's always there, but it's subtext and people, myself included, often don't notice.

Actually, I lie. TM and NB are suddenly very important when it comes to erasing the words that are specifically female, breast/chest feeding or mother/birthing parent for example. Always to benefit fetishtic men though. When it comes to specifically male language; prostate, etc. we don't see the same erasure.

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duc748 · 18/10/2024 12:11

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/10/2024 08:12

The account that made the Tweet I posted last night is now protected, so here's a screenshot of the relevant bit of regs for recreational games.

Read some daft things on MN, but this has to be right up there. The bit about transmen can't play on female teams just puts the cherry on top. The ECB should be shamed into dumping this garbage. And I can't help but think that a few well-known (male) cricketers saying so wouldn't hurt.

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