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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It was all a con !!!

30 replies

Katkins17 · 16/10/2024 08:05

The Bachelor star Josh Seiter has come out on TV and told them that his 6 months as a TW was all a con to prove how ridiculous the whole gender debate is.

Stating it was all an experiment to expose how "It's patently false, men do not magically become women."

I refused to believe it was anything but a parody but was amazed by all the people defending him, stating he was being his "authentic self" when it was all a con to show how ludicrous it all is.

He also stated that from his experience, most TW are merely acting out a fetish in public to the detriment of women and girls, and being supported, without question.

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FetchezLaVache · 16/10/2024 08:13

I've not heard of him before, but that's very interesting! The tide is definitely turning. Can't imagine anyone having the cojones for this kind of stunt a couple of years back.

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 08:17

Full interview here.

https://x.com/alexstein99/status/1846429175017529484?s=46

Edited to say, I have no idea who these people are and what this show is. I have only posted this link so people can track it for checking sources.

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https://x.com/alexstein99/status/1846429175017529484?s=46

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 08:26

All I can say is - 5 months!!

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 08:31

Sal Grover nailed it though.

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1846375669732978955?s=46

‘A guy pretended to be a “transwoman” for 6 months to show people how ridiculous it is that anyone would think a man can be a woman at all.’

‘If you’re still not convinced, think of it this way: would you have supported him going into a woman only space last week but not this week?’

As so many of us have been saying, how can you tell which is real and which is someone pretending for whatever reason?

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https://x.com/salltweets/status/1846375669732978955?s=46

ninetynineAu · 16/10/2024 08:34

Saw the title, "It was all a con!" and thought, well I knew that already but are we actually allowed to say it now?
Wait, are government/corporate coalitions even acknowledging it?

Then realised it was only just about this Josh bloke, not the whole thing.

Ah well, one day...

Awfeckoff · 16/10/2024 08:35

My adult sons showed me his insta account as they found it hilarious. It was obviously a parody

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 08:40

It really was a fantastic parody. He walked the tightrope perfectly 👌

Katkins17 · 16/10/2024 08:51

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 08:31

Sal Grover nailed it though.

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1846375669732978955?s=46

‘A guy pretended to be a “transwoman” for 6 months to show people how ridiculous it is that anyone would think a man can be a woman at all.’

‘If you’re still not convinced, think of it this way: would you have supported him going into a woman only space last week but not this week?’

As so many of us have been saying, how can you tell which is real and which is someone pretending for whatever reason?

Exactly.
It's only what we've been saying for years.... a man is a Man until he puts on a dress or says the magic words 'I'm a lady !!'
And then he has uncontested access to women and girls and can break whatever boundaries we have with the full support of governments and authorities.

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Katkins17 · 16/10/2024 08:52

ninetynineAu · 16/10/2024 08:34

Saw the title, "It was all a con!" and thought, well I knew that already but are we actually allowed to say it now?
Wait, are government/corporate coalitions even acknowledging it?

Then realised it was only just about this Josh bloke, not the whole thing.

Ah well, one day...

Baby steps I know ... but every chip knocked off is still a win.

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popeydokey · 16/10/2024 09:06

I don't know who he is, but everyone knew this already, right? That it's the claiming to be a woman or trans that literally makes you a woman or trans, under the current genderist belief?

So either people were happy choosing to go along with that and shouldn't be surprised that "claiming" an identity doesn't result in any material change, or they didn't understand what they were being asked to believe.

I don't think there's a con anywhere. It's always been the case that they couldn't say what a woman is - so when anyone says 'I'm a woman' it's obvious it's meaningless if they're not saying they're female.

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 09:09

Just a note, Alex Stein’s show seems to be aimed at a certain audience….. and I have given up watching it. Maybe Josh has some interesting things to say after.

Circumferences · 16/10/2024 09:16

I keep waiting for Eddie Izzard to announce "It was all a joke !"

SpidersAreShitheads · 16/10/2024 09:52

I think the fact that no one could tell that it was a parody says all you need to know about the gender movement.

I found his Insta account a few weeks ago and thought it looked like satire, but there was absolutely nothing to suggest that it was. And the vast majority of the comments were of the supportive “you’re so beautiful, you go girl!!” type.

I don’t know much about this Josh bloke other than the brief history I’ve read but he clearly quite likes a bit of attention. For this reason there were a few rumours that this wasn’t real, and I imagine that will be the take that the gender movement will adopt. They’ll be claiming that they weren’t fooled…..

Chersfrozenface · 16/10/2024 10:02

The Mail does the "she/her" thing deliberately to make a point.

Very effectively, I should think.

Dominoodles · 16/10/2024 10:08

I think most people figured it was probably satire, but I find it funny how many people took him seriously and defended his new identity 😂

lcakethereforeIam · 16/10/2024 10:12

From the interview clip posted above, this pretty much nails it

'Don't make your fetish my truth'

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 10:12

I think that he allowed the Alex Stein show to put something like 'hairy version of Dylan Mulvaney' under his name on the screen probably is an indication of who inspired his actions.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/10/2024 10:14

SpidersAreShitheads · 16/10/2024 09:52

I think the fact that no one could tell that it was a parody says all you need to know about the gender movement.

I found his Insta account a few weeks ago and thought it looked like satire, but there was absolutely nothing to suggest that it was. And the vast majority of the comments were of the supportive “you’re so beautiful, you go girl!!” type.

I don’t know much about this Josh bloke other than the brief history I’ve read but he clearly quite likes a bit of attention. For this reason there were a few rumours that this wasn’t real, and I imagine that will be the take that the gender movement will adopt. They’ll be claiming that they weren’t fooled…..

From the (hilarious) insta comments I thought it was wild the number of 'you are harming the trans community as you're not genuine trans' type comments.

When that's what trans ideology actually is! Anyone who says they're a woman is one. And by seemingly putting on a dress no less. The irony going right over their heads.

KohlaParasaurus · 16/10/2024 11:01

Circumferences · 16/10/2024 09:16

I keep waiting for Eddie Izzard to announce "It was all a joke !"

This, and Dylan Mulvaney to grow up and acknowledge that it's all a grift.

I can't laugh at this. There was a time when it would have been funny, there will be a time in future when it will be funny again, but in the present climate the potential real life consequences for any woman who says openly, "That's a man taking the piss," make it not funny at all.

UtopiaPlanitia · 16/10/2024 15:11

I’ve thought about this for the last few months and I realised that I don’t care if Seiter is claiming that he did this as an official 'con'. I don’t see a difference between Seiter and any other man claiming to be a woman.

And more importantly, activism has deliberately worked to make it hard for society and legislation to discern the real reasons behind this behaviour and has got large parts of society and legislation to behave as though the reasons behind this behaviour don’t matter.

I don’t know what Seiter thinks he will achieve with this performance but I’m sure what he says will be taken more seriously because he’s a man.

CocoapuffPuff · 16/10/2024 15:52

He's exactly the same as any other man pretending that he's a woman. Yes, he's made some clapping clowns look foolish. That doesn't seem to be an effective deterrent. We regularly see ordinary, sensible people claim the most ludicrous and embarrassing things. I doubt any of them applauding and "yas girl!"ing him will reflect on it for a second. They're not prepared to see reality at all, why would this loser wiping off his lippy change a thing?

IwantToRetire · 16/10/2024 17:36

Interesting that the DM appeared to have been part of promoting this con to begin with as they now claim a scoop in revealling it was a con.

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The medical guidelines and scientific literature make it clear that trans individuals don't have to have gender dysphoria, don't have to transition, don't have to take hormones, get surgery, or alter their appearance in any way to be trans,' he continued.

He then blasted 'the science' used to justify modern gender ideology.
'All trans women are biological males who identify as women. All trans men are biological women who identify as men,' he said.

'But the medical guidelines and science use verbal legerdemain and semantical nonsense to create a nebulous set of rules that are so contradictory and so amorphous that they are utterly meaningless and fail to even define who is trans and who isn't.

'The fact that millions of people are debating if I am a woman after living for 37 years as the man I am anatomically says all that needs to be said about how shallow the intellectual waters are that we are wading in with the trans movement and gender ideology.'

Seiter and Stein discussed his motivations for the experiment and his desire to change the conversation around mental health and transgenderism.

'There are people that deserve our compassion and our help that are struggling and going through crisis' and what they need is someone who actual understands them and talks to them and gives them love and not someone that feeds them lies for profit,' Seiter said.

'Why do we tell people with gender dysphoria, "yes, are correct, your delusions are correct?" They need treatment just like people with anorexia, just like people with schizophrenia.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13895663/Transgender-Bachelorette-star-Josh-Seiter-gender-transition-social-experiment.html

Bachelorette star Josh Seiter says gender transition was fake

Seiter first announced his intention to transition into a woman on May 20 in an open letter to his 960,000 Instagram followers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13895663/Transgender-Bachelorette-star-Josh-Seiter-gender-transition-social-experiment.html