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Does the death of Alex Salmond mean the end of the Alba Party

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IwantToRetire · 13/10/2024 01:17

https://news.sky.com/story/former-first-minister-of-scotland-alex-salmond-dies-13232584

The Rights of Women

The ALBA Party has always stood up for women and girls across Scotland. We understand that tens of thousands of women have felt unable to voice their concerns without fear of being abused and silenced, we hope to provide them with a voice.

In our short existence, we have already held numerous Women’s Only Conferences that provide a safe space for our female members to discuss issues that are pertinent to them.

We will remain steadfast in our belief that women have the right to organise themselves according to their sex class, and that these protections would be enshrined in an Independent Scotland’s Constitution.

https://www.albaparty.org/the_rights_of_women

Former first minister of Scotland Alex Salmond dies

Mr Salmond used his mandate as first minister to hold a 2014 referendum on Scottish independence - resigning the day after the "Yes Scotland" campaign was defeated.

https://news.sky.com/story/former-first-minister-of-scotland-alex-salmond-dies-13232584

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INeedAPensieve · 13/10/2024 08:35

I'm not sure it might do, I can't think of anyone else with that much pulling power to keep the party going

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2024 08:41

wendymillar · 13/10/2024 08:36

Hopefully it will actually start standing up for women, Salmond was a creep at best and potentially much, much worse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51960314

Salmond was cleared of all charges.

Coincidentally, his court case against the Scottish government was just gearing up.

wendymillar · 13/10/2024 08:44

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2024 08:41

Salmond was cleared of all charges.

Coincidentally, his court case against the Scottish government was just gearing up.

Aye, because male abusers always get convicted.

🙄

PriOn1 · 13/10/2024 09:07

wendymillar · 13/10/2024 08:44

Aye, because male abusers always get convicted.

🙄

Those who have such high numbers of claims made against them generally do, which makes it all the more significant that none of these claims stuck.

From what I’ve read, he indulged in behaviour patterns which, when I was younger, would have been fairly common male behaviour. He might have been described as “handsy” or “a bit of a letch” by those criticising. He wasn’t faithful to his wife and probably would have been somewhat inappropriate in his approaches to women, but (I suspect) wouldn’t take it any further if consent wasn’t freely given.

It’s quite difficult to draw the line between flirtatious behaviour and overly flirtatious behaviour, I think, particularly where alcohol is involved. The line of what is acceptable has moved in my lifetime.

I think describing him as a sexual predator is probably way over the top.

As for the question of Alba, I guess it will depend whether someone else with charisma steps up to the plate. I think it has potential as a party. The SNP are badly soiled and that leaves a gap.

Perhaps Salmond, charismatic as he was, was not the person to start something new as his reputation had been badly damaged and there will always be those who assume no smoke without fire. I was disappointed in the lack of visibility and progress Alba made in the general election. What happens next remains to be seen. A new leader might make or break it.

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2024 09:16

Salmond may or may not have been a predator, I have no idea.

The court case was a separate matter.

PriOn1 · 13/10/2024 09:21

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2024 09:16

Salmond may or may not have been a predator, I have no idea.

The court case was a separate matter.

None of us knows, but I would have thought if anything more serious had occurred, the court case would have been the perfect time for other accusers to come forward.

Anyway, apologies for continuing the derail. This is a thread about Alba’s future and not Salmond’s past.

nettie434 · 13/10/2024 09:27

I see that Joanna Cherry has described herself as 'devastated' by the news of his death and said that he was a 'loyal friend'. He certainly behaved very differently to her than most of her SNP colleagues.

Maybe his death and the UK general election results will mean that Alba and the SNP ultimately reunite. However, as I live in England, I could be way off line here.

SirCharlesRainier · 13/10/2024 09:28

From what I’ve read, he indulged in behaviour patterns which, when I was younger, would have been fairly common male behaviour. He might have been described as “handsy” or “a bit of a letch” by those criticising

Urgh. And people wonder why so many men get away with it for so long

OllyBJolly · 13/10/2024 09:43

I don't know that there is anyone that comes close to the charisma or intellect that Alex Salmond possessed with the ability to take over. We have a very shallow talent pool in Scotland.

One of Alex's many talents was visibility. He was visible in the media, visible in his constituency, visible in parliaments. He took his role seriously. I don't see many others with that appetite.

Sadly, I think Alba may wither. It's a pity as the SNP is not fit for purpose - too many of them treat it like an extension of their student politician careers with no real responsibility. Labour haven't yet shown any real leadership - maybe it's too early. The Westminster conservatives are a shit show although if Kemi Badenoch gets the job they might be a credible opposition (and politics needs challenge).

He is a great loss to the political scene, whether you were a fan of him or not.

FizzingAda · 13/10/2024 11:03

Considering what happened to the SNP when he resigned after indyref, I haven’t much hope. Scotland was a far better place when he governed, and under NS has turned into a bunch of incompetent, career grifters. There are few people of honour, experience and competence across our country, he was head and shoulders above. The SNP deserve to be disbanded now, and I can't see Alba taking their place. I have no optimism for Scotland at the moment.

lonelywater · 13/10/2024 11:52

wendymillar · 13/10/2024 08:44

Aye, because male abusers always get convicted.

🙄

but...in this case its not beyond the bounds of possibility that the case against Salmond was a badly executed hit job at the behest of Sturgeon to shut him up. The rumour mill at the time hinted he was going to make a comeback since sturgeon was making such a mess of both government in general and advancing the cause of independence in particular. I you want to see the true nature of sturgeon check out the YouTube clip of her "celebration" of Jo Swinson losing her seat on election night. The very living embodiment of petty, small minded, vindictive-in short, an utter cunt. As to Alba? who knows?

wendymillar · 13/10/2024 12:20

lonelywater · 13/10/2024 11:52

but...in this case its not beyond the bounds of possibility that the case against Salmond was a badly executed hit job at the behest of Sturgeon to shut him up. The rumour mill at the time hinted he was going to make a comeback since sturgeon was making such a mess of both government in general and advancing the cause of independence in particular. I you want to see the true nature of sturgeon check out the YouTube clip of her "celebration" of Jo Swinson losing her seat on election night. The very living embodiment of petty, small minded, vindictive-in short, an utter cunt. As to Alba? who knows?

As a feminist I tend to believe other women when they speak and certainly would never call another woman a 'cunt' - but you do you.

It's exasperating what has happened to this place, it really is. 😔

lonelywater · 13/10/2024 12:23

wendymillar · 13/10/2024 12:20

As a feminist I tend to believe other women when they speak and certainly would never call another woman a 'cunt' - but you do you.

It's exasperating what has happened to this place, it really is. 😔

Yes, it's shocking. I remember when it was all fields around here.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 13/10/2024 12:25

It's exasperating what has happened to this place, it really is

all the eye rolls. how wonderful it must be to be a perfect feminist, the view from the ivory tower must be marvellous

I remember when all this were fields etc

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 13/10/2024 12:25

cross post! Grin

BlackForestCake · 13/10/2024 19:53

I you want to see the true nature of sturgeon check out the YouTube clip of her "celebration" of Jo Swinson losing her seat on election night.

I have no time for Sturgeon, but why shouldn't she have celebrated her own party winning a seat and defeating the leader of the Lib Dems?

Precipice · 13/10/2024 20:04

From what I’ve read, he indulged in behaviour patterns which, when I was younger, would have been fairly common male behaviour. He might have been described as “handsy” or “a bit of a letch” by those criticising. He wasn’t faithful to his wife and probably would have been somewhat inappropriate in his approaches to women, but (I suspect) wouldn’t take it any further if consent wasn’t freely given.

So you're saying: a sexual harasser and/or sexual assaulter, but not a rapist. Not exactly exculpatory.

IwantToRetire · 13/10/2024 20:20

Have just checked which I didn't late last night, and it seems Alba have no elected members. Is that right?

However, I suspect a party as small as this without a "name" leading it wont last.

And not dismissing the charges of inappropriate behaviour against Salmond, it seems to still be the case that if women wont to have a voice, they have to attach themselve to so part of the male establishment.

It was good that it seemed the press is Scotland were prepared to report some of what Alba said about women's sex based rights.

If there is no Alba is there any political grouping that GC women in Scotland can count on to give them a voice?

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Seriestwo · 13/10/2024 20:31

Ash Regan’s got potential. She resigned a minister’s post over the GRR Bill. That is integrity.

lonelywater · 13/10/2024 20:32

BlackForestCake · 13/10/2024 19:53

I you want to see the true nature of sturgeon check out the YouTube clip of her "celebration" of Jo Swinson losing her seat on election night.

I have no time for Sturgeon, but why shouldn't she have celebrated her own party winning a seat and defeating the leader of the Lib Dems?

check out the clip, come back and tell me how classy you think sturgeon is.

Abhannmor · 13/10/2024 20:41

Swinson voted for an general election in 2019. Gifting Bozo a majority government. Glad I'm not alone I'm resenting her stupidity and shirt sightedness.

Seriestwo · 13/10/2024 23:11

Swinson wax the first politician I remeber arguing that TWAW and I thought it cost her her seat at the time.

RoyalCorgi · 14/10/2024 09:04

Seriestwo · 13/10/2024 23:11

Swinson wax the first politician I remeber arguing that TWAW and I thought it cost her her seat at the time.

Yes, I think most of us on here were even more gleeful than Sturgeon when the appalling Swinson lost her seat.

I don't know what to think about Salmond and the charges against him. I note that Joanna Cherry, a stalwart feminist if ever there was one, supported Salmond throughout.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 14/10/2024 15:45

As a feminist I tend to believe other women when they speak

😂😂😂 you know we're talking about Nicola Sturgeon here right?! You're off your head if you believe a single word that vile woman says.