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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour Has Turned Its Back on Trans Justice

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IwantToRetire · 12/10/2024 23:02

Once the natural home of LGBT+ activists, Labour’s latest policy shifts show that instead of challenging the right-wing media’s anti-trans frenzy, the party is joining in.

Despite an election campaign which relentlessly promised change, one of Wes Streeting’s first acts as Health Secretary was to uphold his predecessor’s ‘emergency’ ban on puberty blockers, implemented without consulting a single LGBTQ+ group.

Most notably, Labour’s manifesto has accepted wholesale the findings of the contested review into NHS gender services for young people authored by Dr Hilary Cass. Aside from the significant methodological flaws in her report, and emerging evidence she was handpicked for the role because of her sympathy to so-called ‘gender criticals’, her argument relies on offensive and conservative notions of trans people.

the fact Keir Starmer expressed support for Conservative plans to prohibit the teaching of ‘gender ideology’ — a de-facto ban on classroom discussion of the existence of trans pupils — means the party’s manifesto commitment to ‘protecting the freedom for people to explore their sexual orientation and gender identity’ rings hollow.

while details of Labour’s plans for Gender Recognition Reform are yet to fully emerge, Labour Equalities Minister Anneliese Dodds reversed her stance on legal gender self-identification, insisting that trans people have a ‘diagnosis of gender dysphoria’ which, under existing waiting lists, could take more than seven years. Dodds has even met with anti-trans hate groups campaigning to scrap legal gender change altogether.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/10/labour-has-turned-its-back-on-trans-justice-transgender-labour-party

These are just a few random articles, but thought it ironice it should have been published by Tribue who claim:

Our mission remains, as Michael Foot wrote on the magazine’s 21st birthday, “to sustain the old cause with the old weapons.”

Labour Has Turned Its Back on Trans Justice

Once the natural home of LGBT+ activists, Labour’s latest policy shifts show that instead of challenging the right-wing media’s anti-trans frenzy, the party is joining in.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/10/labour-has-turned-its-back-on-trans-justice-transgender-labour-party

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Lovelyview · 12/10/2024 23:56

It's weird how trans activists seem to be despairing of how unsupportive they think Labour are while today I felt a bit despairing that they seem to be ploughing ahead with the trans inclusive conversion therapy ban.

ODFOx · 13/10/2024 00:07

I think there may be some politically spun rhetoric in your quote.
The Cass review followed classical methodology for publication review, with an overarching peer review by medics and psychologists. The findings were based on robust statistical analysis. There have been no corroborated or proven accusations of poor methodology.
From that, I believe that the findings and recommendations of the Cass report offer best practice at this time for trans identifying children. It isn't an attack on trans people, but a doubling down on the watchful waiting approach which was recommended for the last 20+ years.

Once people hit 18 they can advocate for themselves whether the dysmorphia of having secondary sexual organs in alignment with their sex is worse than the distress and lasting harm that the pain and potential harm of surgery or the infertility and potential permanent changes of hormone treatment.
My son is trans. Most of his school friendship group were gay as they approached puberty, dabbled with transgenderism, but reverted to homosexuality by the time they left school. I am relieved that my son waited, had his eggs frozen, really thought about the long term repercussions before progressing his treatment.

Of the five trans adults I know well, most of them were gay teens who decided to transition but were advocated a waiting approach by their parents; it was the correct approach for all of them.
Endocrine disruption in children really is a time bomb. I'm so glad that in most cases it will no longer be prescribed.

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/10/2024 00:45

Lovelyview · 12/10/2024 23:56

It's weird how trans activists seem to be despairing of how unsupportive they think Labour are while today I felt a bit despairing that they seem to be ploughing ahead with the trans inclusive conversion therapy ban.

They want 100% compliance or nothing is good enough. To their point of view, 99% compliance may as well be total failure because they are not of a mind to compromise 🤷‍♀️

illinivich · 13/10/2024 00:46

Realistically, a government cannot give TRA what they want - for society to believe that they have changed sex or, failing that, for a government to force society to believe they have changed sex. If anyone thinks thats an anti trans agenda, they being unrealistic.

Labour will probably do more for TRA by ignoring their demands and kicking decision into the long grass.

IwantToRetire · 13/10/2024 00:58

ODFOx · 13/10/2024 00:07

I think there may be some politically spun rhetoric in your quote.
The Cass review followed classical methodology for publication review, with an overarching peer review by medics and psychologists. The findings were based on robust statistical analysis. There have been no corroborated or proven accusations of poor methodology.
From that, I believe that the findings and recommendations of the Cass report offer best practice at this time for trans identifying children. It isn't an attack on trans people, but a doubling down on the watchful waiting approach which was recommended for the last 20+ years.

Once people hit 18 they can advocate for themselves whether the dysmorphia of having secondary sexual organs in alignment with their sex is worse than the distress and lasting harm that the pain and potential harm of surgery or the infertility and potential permanent changes of hormone treatment.
My son is trans. Most of his school friendship group were gay as they approached puberty, dabbled with transgenderism, but reverted to homosexuality by the time they left school. I am relieved that my son waited, had his eggs frozen, really thought about the long term repercussions before progressing his treatment.

Of the five trans adults I know well, most of them were gay teens who decided to transition but were advocated a waiting approach by their parents; it was the correct approach for all of them.
Endocrine disruption in children really is a time bomb. I'm so glad that in most cases it will no longer be prescribed.

Thanks for your post.

I hope your son is doing okay.

And that you are as well.

It sounds like it must / could have been overwhelming.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/10/2024 06:35

The article is more optimistic than I feel, I don't have any confidence that Labour are going to get the gender identity ideology out of the class rooms or that "Anneliese Dodds reversed her stance on legal gender self-identification".

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/10/2024 07:33

And this is why I have no confidence
Labour establishes new equality unit to push forward with trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban – The Free Speech Union

Floisme · 13/10/2024 09:39

My guess is that this is just the tip of a massive lobbying campaign about GRA reform.

YellowAsteroid · 13/10/2024 14:20

Well, when has organised labour (including the Labour Party) ever supported women’s rights without being dragged, kicking and screaming towards social justice?

Honestly, it’s a very murky history: working men opposed votes for women and equal pay because they were threats to working men.

Sometimes, I think there’s actually a rational case for voting Tory. (Then I remember…)

YellowAsteroid · 13/10/2024 14:24

I am relieved that my son waited, had his eggs frozen,

Why would your daughter freeze her eggs if she’s so dysphoric about being female that she’s medicalising herself? Being pregnant is the most fundamentally sexed thing a female body can do. If your daughter is taking unnatural amounts of testosterone her female body is highly likely to become malfunctioning so pregnancy might be risky - for her and any foetus.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 14:25

The IVF process itself also requires sex hormones to be taken.

IwantToRetire · 13/10/2024 20:32

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/10/2024 07:33

How strange - well not really of course, but in this press release all about equality and it being led by the Women and Equality team, there is not one mention of women, or sex as a protected characteristic.

We can only hope that Kemi Badenoch does not beome leader of the opposition, and so will have time to be on the Women and Equalities Committee (membership still not agreed) and be able to pull apart Labour's deplorable record re women.

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IwantToRetire · 13/10/2024 20:34

On the Office for Equality and Opportunity:

  • The Office for Equality and Opportunity in the Cabinet Office will cover the overall framework of equality legislation in the UK, including disability policy, ethnic disparities, gender equality and LGBT+ rights.
  • Further details about the Office for Equality and Opportunity ministers and their portfolios are available on GOV.UK.
On the Equality (Race and Disability) Bill:
  • People’s race or ethnicity should never be a barrier to opportunity.
  • As set out in the King’s Speech, the Government is committed to tackling pay discrimination at work and introducing mandatory pay gap reporting for large employers on ethnicity and disability.
On the Conversion Practices Bill:
  • Conversion practices are abuse. They have no place in society and must be stopped.
  • The Government is committed to delivering a full, trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices, to be brought forward via a draft Conversion Practices Bill.
On the Employment Rights Bill:
  • The Plan to Make Work Pay sets out a significant and ambitious agenda to ensure workplace rights are fit for a modern economy, empower working people and contribute to economic growth. This is a core part of the Government’s mission to grow the economy and raise living standards across the country.
  • The Plan will support more people to stay in work, make work more family friendly and improve living standards. This will put more money in working people’s pockets to spend, boosting economic growth, resilience and conditions for innovation.
  • Work is already underway to identify and deliver measures through non-legislative and secondary legislative routes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/office-for-equality-and-opportunity-to-break-down-barriers-to-opportunity

Well I suppose in that they think anyone can be a woman, then you dont need to bother having an actual women to represent women, ot to worry about sexist discrimination against women.

Office for Equality and Opportunity to break down barriers to opportunity

People of all backgrounds will benefit from the government’s commitments to breaking down barriers, boosting opportunity and ensuring that equality is at the heart of every mission.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/office-for-equality-and-opportunity-to-break-down-barriers-to-opportunity

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/10/2024 21:14

IwantToRetire · 13/10/2024 20:34

On the Office for Equality and Opportunity:

  • The Office for Equality and Opportunity in the Cabinet Office will cover the overall framework of equality legislation in the UK, including disability policy, ethnic disparities, gender equality and LGBT+ rights.
  • Further details about the Office for Equality and Opportunity ministers and their portfolios are available on GOV.UK.
On the Equality (Race and Disability) Bill:
  • People’s race or ethnicity should never be a barrier to opportunity.
  • As set out in the King’s Speech, the Government is committed to tackling pay discrimination at work and introducing mandatory pay gap reporting for large employers on ethnicity and disability.
On the Conversion Practices Bill:
  • Conversion practices are abuse. They have no place in society and must be stopped.
  • The Government is committed to delivering a full, trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices, to be brought forward via a draft Conversion Practices Bill.
On the Employment Rights Bill:
  • The Plan to Make Work Pay sets out a significant and ambitious agenda to ensure workplace rights are fit for a modern economy, empower working people and contribute to economic growth. This is a core part of the Government’s mission to grow the economy and raise living standards across the country.
  • The Plan will support more people to stay in work, make work more family friendly and improve living standards. This will put more money in working people’s pockets to spend, boosting economic growth, resilience and conditions for innovation.
  • Work is already underway to identify and deliver measures through non-legislative and secondary legislative routes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/office-for-equality-and-opportunity-to-break-down-barriers-to-opportunity

Well I suppose in that they think anyone can be a woman, then you dont need to bother having an actual women to represent women, ot to worry about sexist discrimination against women.

Which makes the OP article a load of crap, I don't know what planet they're on but they're not on the same nightmare world I'm living on, I'm not seeing anything for them to be worried about.

IwantToRetire · 13/10/2024 21:26

Which makes the OP article a load of crap

Which was the point of highlighting it.

As is now obvious, not only are Labour MPs intent on undoing any of the tiny bits of stemming the trans avalanche by the Tory Government, but trans activists are creaating this ongoing drama about how badly they are being let down.

And as we might have known, there are no voices, articles or campaigns to challenge what the Labour hierarachy and the Labour lackeys are intent on achieving.

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Dominoodles · 13/10/2024 21:37

I find it telling that they're so angry about any decisions made that listen to a side of the argument that isn't them. They didn't need to run the ban by any lgbt groups because they were following a scientific study, not opinion. Cass being 'sympathetic' to GC ideas (note, not supportive of, just sympathetic to) is apparently a huge problem only because Cass was willing to at least listen to dissenting opinions.

Grammarnut · 13/10/2024 22:51

ODFOx · 13/10/2024 00:07

I think there may be some politically spun rhetoric in your quote.
The Cass review followed classical methodology for publication review, with an overarching peer review by medics and psychologists. The findings were based on robust statistical analysis. There have been no corroborated or proven accusations of poor methodology.
From that, I believe that the findings and recommendations of the Cass report offer best practice at this time for trans identifying children. It isn't an attack on trans people, but a doubling down on the watchful waiting approach which was recommended for the last 20+ years.

Once people hit 18 they can advocate for themselves whether the dysmorphia of having secondary sexual organs in alignment with their sex is worse than the distress and lasting harm that the pain and potential harm of surgery or the infertility and potential permanent changes of hormone treatment.
My son is trans. Most of his school friendship group were gay as they approached puberty, dabbled with transgenderism, but reverted to homosexuality by the time they left school. I am relieved that my son waited, had his eggs frozen, really thought about the long term repercussions before progressing his treatment.

Of the five trans adults I know well, most of them were gay teens who decided to transition but were advocated a waiting approach by their parents; it was the correct approach for all of them.
Endocrine disruption in children really is a time bomb. I'm so glad that in most cases it will no longer be prescribed.

Men cannot have eggs frozen. In mammals only females produce eggs. Your DD had her eggs frozen. What is she going to do with them if she has genital re-assignment surgery or takes testosterone, which will shrink her womb so that she cannot carry a child?

AnneLovesGilbert · 13/10/2024 22:56

Grammarnut · 13/10/2024 22:51

Men cannot have eggs frozen. In mammals only females produce eggs. Your DD had her eggs frozen. What is she going to do with them if she has genital re-assignment surgery or takes testosterone, which will shrink her womb so that she cannot carry a child?

Surrogacy innit 🧐

Grammarnut · 14/10/2024 11:40

AnneLovesGilbert · 13/10/2024 22:56

Surrogacy innit 🧐

My point! Surrogacy is an abuse of women, making trans ideology even more misogynistic. 😡

MorningYawning · 14/10/2024 11:45

Surrogacy is why you see Mermaids darkening the corners of surrogacy conferences. It's a strategic £££ maker for them.

Skyrainlight · 14/10/2024 17:21

Grammarnut · 14/10/2024 11:40

My point! Surrogacy is an abuse of women, making trans ideology even more misogynistic. 😡

Edited

Agreed. Surrogacy is a disgrace, for both the child who is then removed from the mother and for the mother who then loses the child they have grown.

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