Can we disband the met now please

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After all the rapists, murders and abusers who have come to light since Sarah Everards death can we now please dismantle the met and investigate every single officer

Ex-Met police officer 'drugged his wife so men could rape her' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13951783/Met-detective-drugged-wife-men-swinging-parties-rape-body-blood-hotel-Barbados.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

It isn't just the Met unfortunately.
It is all of them.

My local police force...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/crime/cop-in-court-ex-doncaster-officer-pleads-guilty-after-sending-sexualised-messages-to-vulnerable-victim-4817400

There are some real wronguns in the met , so many you'd have to wonder about their recruitment policy . Probably men recruiting men

Yes, but it's the possibility of power over the others, especially the vulnerable, that attracts them to the police. A psychological assessment might help.

BBC News - Police ban for ex-officer who sexually abused girl

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8lpmr7gpro

It's all of them, not just the met. I don't know what the answer is.

I just read the article and came here. I feel so many things about this.

I've been through trauma therapy where nothing was working and eventually what worked was involved visualising a big policeman coming and removing my abuser. I had a discussion with the therapist about how this was e than hypothetical. She agreed. But I did have a teeny hope in there that I was too skeptical and it could happen. A policeman COULD help if I reported something. Nah. My instincts were correct. I feel sick.

And the article says Arter sent a friend a video of "Rebekah having sex with a man while she seemed to be unconscious"?!!! FFS it's really not that hard. I'd like a list of all the things the journalist and editor think they can do whilst unconscious.

"Rebekah met Arter in 2007 when she reported a complaint of domestic violence to police and Arter was the ­investigator, a det­ective sergeant working on a community safety unit.

They began dating, which was part of his pattern of inappropriate relationships with vulnerable victims."

There seems to be a case for a return to women and children's units in forces. I believe these existed up to/in the 80s. And we had better results on rape and sexual assault then as well. I think it was in a documentary a few years ago about women in policing.

It’s men.

That’s the common denominator.

It's men and it is the police.

Men and women officers used to be in separate forces, with separate duties.

When they were amalgamated what actually happened was that the women were transferred in to the men's force.

Lots of skills were lost. Female officers would buy a prostitute a coffee and ask about her kids, and learn what was going on on the streets.

Informal networks meant a girl going missing in Manchester would be looked for in London and often found.

What we have in effect is a men's force and to succeed women have to be perceived as like men.

My brother was in the police for 20 years, he once told me they had attended, what he referred to as a 'domestic'. A woman was trying to pack a bag to leave with the police but she was struggling as she had a baby in her arms.

My brother said he had ended up holding the baby, with the implication his female colleague should have been doing that.

My brother is a loving father who changed as many nappies as his wife, IMHO he was probably the best person other than the mother to be holding and entertaining a baby.

Yes, but the problem is, those kind of men are attracted to the role of police officer due to the power it gives them and nothing is being done to address this.

That is absolutely the fault of the damn police.

"Rebekah having sex with a man while she seemed to be unconscious"

I also found that sentence absolutely vile as well. Unbelievable that she is unconscious and still the one carrying out the verb of “having sex”.
"Rebekah being raped by a man while she seemed to be unconscious"

Can you imagine the mayhem in London if suddenly there was no active police force?

There are about 33,000 met officers and the majority of those are decent and professional.

There is no doubt there are an appalling number of bad apples, they clearly need to completely rethink their recruitment policies and their background checking needs to increase five-fold including social media screening.

Their whistleblower policies need strengthening, and I'd like to see non-police legal oversight of all disciplineries. They have a lot of work to do to redeem themselves.

But no, we don't need to disband t!he Met.

That's a dreadful story. And yet again begs the question about a working culture that enables a man like him to groom his victims via his work.

OK so they disband the police so the rapists, murderers etc. just roam around doing what they want?

I was once told that there is a fine line between criminals and those in 'authority', it attracts similar personalities.
Many of my male relatives went into the police force after WWII, they had community at their hearts, they wanted to have peaceful, orderly lives after the chaos of war. They were straightforward, honest men. Those types are rare these days and don't get attracted to the police.

I went on a few dates with a met police officer ages ago, about 15 years. He turned out to be the most deceptive and dishonest man I had ever dated. Luckily it was only a few dates so I wasn’t too upset, however when the extent of his lies came out I was honestly flabbergasted- it involved him lying to multiple women including his live in partner, keeping a spreadsheet with rankings and laughing about it with all his met police mates. Really gross and shockingly dishonest and manipulative. Terrible attitude towards women. In my naivity I was really really shocked that a policeman of all people should be such a user of women and such a liar. I guess we all know better now. How sad for those police who really are honest and doing a hard job to keep us safe.

This is all a direct result of lack of consequences for rapists and abusers.

Look at Kincora - those abusers didn’t disappear or stop - they will have continued to abuse and many were in positions of power and authority already.

So a rapist or child abuser in that position :

will seek to undermine the credibility of their victims in order to avoid detection so they can continue to abuse

will seek to create vulnerability in their preferred demographic in order to create a new and continuous supply of potential victims so they can continue to abuse

will seek to influence or create policies which either hide abuse, create opportunities to abuse or reduce consequences for abuse if discovered so they can continue to abuse

will seek to find other abusers - not necessarily to create organised networks but to further all of the above aims so that they can continue to abuse

the police are riddled with abusers - but so is politics - here in NI - issues with all political parties either containing abusers, covering up for abusers or seeking to introduce legislation to protect abusers and/or increase access to potential victims or create vulnerabilities that would make certain sections of society more likely to be targetable for abuse

There has to be a collective will to stop it, to take a zero stance, and to not be ‘do it to Julia’ but all of that is predicated on not turning a blind-eye in the first place

It is sickening, and it will take immense work to address, I personally think it is possible but we need to really have unity of purpose to do so and not allow males to deflect, distract, blackmail, threaten or promise their way out of facing the consequences of their own actions

This is unspeakably vile. To target vulnerable women he met through his job as romantic partners? Absolutely wrong. And for the Police to suspend him on full pay for seven years? WTF?

My son works for the MET . Honestly the nastiness and the bullying from skippers and above is awful.

My son has been hit/kicked etc by people he's had to arrest his colleagues get the hump with him when ds does not want to press charges . Ds says he would if it was something bad. But he said in this case it was someone having a mental break down . And life is already hard for him he does not want to make it worse.

My dd was a victim of Dv and over the years the police have been good.

I do agree there should be more put in place to keep the bad eggs out. More vetting , not just when recruiting but on a regular bases drug checks throughout. I don't know what else but there must be more that can be done.

you can’t “press charges” in the UK.

for this very reason- if a crime is committed it is not the victims decision whether the suspect is held accountable.

your son as an officer should know this.

obviously it is harder to secure a conviction without victims statements and support. But if his superiors thought a charge should happen they can, with or without your son’s agreement.

there should be plenty of evidence on BWV etc to go ahead anyway.

This is another sad thing. There are loads of good and honest officers in the met and throughout policing. It’s a really hard job and we need them. But they are just riddled with bad apples bringing the rest down and the leadership are hopeless in changing the culture. I also feel sorry for the honest police struggling to work against that backdrop and having their reputations trashed by association.

There should be female detectives involved in every rape case, that would be a start, and any policeman who tries it on with a vulnerable victim should be given a criminal record in the same way a teacher/pupil dynamic is no longer socially acceptable.

Given how many men from one village willingly raped an unconscious woman when they thought they'd get away with it, you have to wonder about what it does to such a man to see so many other men raping but getting away with it, seeing how high the bar is to get a conviction. They will have seen that unconscious women don't win their cases and it starts to feel like an option.

Well “bad apples” spoil the whole tree so I guess we agree on that.

Yes, disband the Met. It’s rotten to the core. Put the money into public services that actually help people, like social care, health care, better MH support, education, community support, anything BUT the Met in the state it’s in.

Disbanding the Met is way too close to "defunding the police" as a call to arms. (An uncritical import of US activism). Who would the new Met recruit? Basically the same cops as were just disbanded. What's needed is much more scrutiny and holding to account. Like all the issues we see in safeguarding, the framework is there. Holding to account is what's missing.

Whether or not it's related to the issues we see in policing, there should either be a ban on anyone in policing (including staff) being in the Masons. Or they should have to publicly declare that membership. This is another thing that's wafted around for decades and causes distrust. They could and should put that to bed through a ban or a public declaration. Same goes for all taxpayer funded jobs in my view.