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Sancta - Stuttgart

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WagnersFourthSymphony · 11/10/2024 09:10

Wise vipers of MN, please help me sort out my thinking on this.
Has anyone seen it?

I have a visceral reaction that is possibly just irrational old-fashioned prudery. On the other hand, that’s an argument often used to shut down discussion - by either side.

On the one hand,
I am old.
2. I haven’t seen this production. I’m relying on a newspaper report.
3. I’m generally not in favour of censorship. Let consenting adults do what they like among themselves so long as they are not really hurting anyone.
4. The audience is given ample notice of what the show is.
5. There’s no suggestion anyone was co-erced into appearing, let alone watching.
6. There’s no suggestion that children are exposed.
7. I am so squeamish I can’t bear to watch Marina Abramovic’s body art
8. People watch horror movies where worse things happen, and it doesn’t make them do bad things to other people.
9. The producers can argue there is a clear intellectual basis so it's not gratuitous offence.

On the other hand

  1. I’m revolted. I go all Mary Whitehouse pearl-clutching at the idea of this being a public performance rather than something in an obscure members’ club.
  2. I worry that this sort of thing (shades of Father Ted) normalises outrageous behaviour
  3. It is clear that many people want to watch this sort of thing, attracted by the publicity.
  4. It is clear that much of the attraction is the real life element.
  5. It is clear that much of the attraction is that the participants are all women and we have enough problems already with (not all) men’s attitude to women.
  6. It is so decadent it feels like the last days of Rome…

So, is this any of my business, beyond simply deciding not to see it myself? Should I mind if it moved to my local theatre?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/10/18-treated-for-severe-nausea-in-stuttgart-after-opera-of-live-sex-and-piercing

Eighteen treated for severe nausea in Stuttgart after opera of live sex and piercing

Florentina Holzinger’s bloody Sancta was criticised by Austrian bishops and is now a sellout in Germany

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/10/18-treated-for-severe-nausea-in-stuttgart-after-opera-of-live-sex-and-piercing

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ApocalipstickNow · 12/10/2024 09:51

I got to read this sentence though

“musical performance with naked nuns rollerskating on a movable half-pipe at the centre of the stage”
😂

AnnaMagnani · 12/10/2024 09:56

DH and I had a long discussion as to how you know they are nuns if they are naked?

Conclusion was that they were naked except for the wimple.

ApocalipstickNow · 12/10/2024 10:27

I hope Yackety Sax was playing

AnnaMagnani · 12/10/2024 10:35

@ApocalipstickNow I think you have hit a deep difference between UK and Germanic culture

Naked nuns in Germany - mediation on the meaning of woman, religion, sex and life itself

Naked nuns in the UK - Look! Boobs! Wahey the lads!

maltravers · 12/10/2024 12:20

It does just appear to be titillation packaged up as art, but yes, each thing has to be a bit more shocking to get traction/a reaction/coverage in the media. See also Mire Lee at the Tate Modern - raised on a diet of porn, snuff movies apparently https://www.telegraph.co.uk/art/artists/tate-turbine-hall-mire-lee-interview-sexual-fetish-art/

Turbine Hall star Mire Lee: ‘You can’t control a sexual fetish – it feels like art’

The Korean artist’s squirming, squirting sculptures tap into the internet’s X-rated side

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/art/artists/tate-turbine-hall-mire-lee-interview-sexual-fetish-art

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