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Family court judges use victim-blaming language in domestic abuse cases - Research by herEthical AI

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IwantToRetire · 09/10/2024 01:18

The findings are the result of a project called herEthical AI, which trains computers to identify attitudes among judges that it warns is resulting in the retraumatisation of domestic abuse survivors in the family courts.

Examples found through the research include characterising a woman as a “deeply troubled mother with mental health difficulties unrelated to the father’s behaviour”; referring to an attempted strangling as a possible “prank”; or concluding that it was improbable that an “educated professional” would not speak to anyone else while “inappropriate and wrong” sexual relations were happening.

The result, according to Roda Hassan, founder of Riverlight, a nonprofit that provides advocacy services for domestic abuse survivors and is collaborating on the project, was that “at the moment there’s no real way to hold judges and magistrates accountable” for what goes on inside courtrooms, other than through “very expensive and difficult” appeals processes, requiring specialist legal knowledge which many survivors cannot afford.

Riverlight has worked with survivors whose transcripts have included phrases such as “you’re a silly girl” and “you could not have been raped because you were married to him”.

Just a few paragraphs from a longer article at https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/08/family-court-judges-victim-blaming-language-domestic-abuse-cases-ai-project

Family court judges use victim-blaming language in domestic abuse cases, finds AI project

Research by herEthical AI reveals attitude of disbelief and ‘stereotypical assumptions’ about survivors in England and Wales

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/08/family-court-judges-victim-blaming-language-domestic-abuse-cases-ai-project

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XChrome · 09/10/2024 02:21

referring to an attempted strangling as a possible “prank”

What a piece of filth that judge is!

RethinkingLife · 09/10/2024 10:27

🤐

Absolutely, the struggle for equity | parity of esteem is so over for women that it's entirely acceptable to wholesale remove women's rights and not take language into account. [/futile snark]

I know the backlog is massive and the criminal justice system is in severe distress but, seriously - our only option to continue with these people and the harm that they do to individuals and the reputation of the courts?

Bannedontherun · 09/10/2024 10:35

We have gone so far backwards since I worked in DVA provision, I could weep.

HappyOpalMember · 15/03/2025 07:07

I have just obtained part of my court transcript, where the judge and my barrister and my ex’s barristers use the fact that I was abused to decide to deny my a full hearing, cut it down to one hour and the judge says that if the barristers can crack this nut today then she will make her judgement appeal proof! They then totally assassinate my character and none of the abuse I had suffetrd by the father was even questioned instead it was used as a means to shorten their workload and further facilitate the fathers abuse of me now through the court system.

CatMarble · 15/03/2025 16:00

Do family court judges receive specific training re domestic violence?

MarieDeGournay · 15/03/2025 17:36

HappyOpalMember · 15/03/2025 07:07

I have just obtained part of my court transcript, where the judge and my barrister and my ex’s barristers use the fact that I was abused to decide to deny my a full hearing, cut it down to one hour and the judge says that if the barristers can crack this nut today then she will make her judgement appeal proof! They then totally assassinate my character and none of the abuse I had suffetrd by the father was even questioned instead it was used as a means to shorten their workload and further facilitate the fathers abuse of me now through the court system.

I'm so sorry they did this to you HappyOpalMember, it's so unfair and damaging to you. I hope you manage to get justice somehow, though I know that's a mountain to climb. Sending strength and Flowers

JennyForeigner · 15/03/2025 17:56

What a fabulous project though.

Igmum · 15/03/2025 18:13

River light does excellent work highlighting this. So sorry you experienced that @HappyOpalMember I had 7.5 years going through the family courts and yes it is 100% facilitating abuse by other means. Far too many misogynistic comments and actions to mention here but one, not even about me, was when the judge rebuked one of my witnesses for being a single parent 🤦‍♀️. She looked at him blankly and said ‘but I’m married’. (FFS)

IwantToRetire · 15/03/2025 20:14

HappyOpalMember · 15/03/2025 07:07

I have just obtained part of my court transcript, where the judge and my barrister and my ex’s barristers use the fact that I was abused to decide to deny my a full hearing, cut it down to one hour and the judge says that if the barristers can crack this nut today then she will make her judgement appeal proof! They then totally assassinate my character and none of the abuse I had suffetrd by the father was even questioned instead it was used as a means to shorten their workload and further facilitate the fathers abuse of me now through the court system.

This is really disturbing.

Do you have any legal support that would help your challenge this manipulation of the process?

Seems hard to believe it would happen, but as is now made obvious every day, the justice system if not a system that works for women.

Flowers
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HappyOpalMember · 15/03/2025 20:47

I have gone to the professional standards and ombudsman lodged a detailed complaint about the barristers and I am also going to complain about the judge.
I hope to get a full refund and I would like some accountability from the system about what happened to me. It was deeply traumatising and I still find it hard to comprehend. After the costs of the original barristers I currently can’t afford to go back to court.
I have been in touch with Right to Equality and they have advised I go to the MP.
I would like to share my story and try and build some awareness of what is happening and try to stop this happening to others as at the end of the day it’s the innocent children in the middle of it all that end up suffering because of the misogyny in the system.

HappyOpalMember · 15/03/2025 20:48

It’s a crazy crazy system, I thought judges were held in such high esteem because they looked solely at evidence not hearsay!

HappyOpalMember · 15/03/2025 20:52

Thankyou very much, yes I will do my best and I feel so much better having seen the transcript when the barristers and judge had that first conversation and basically stitched me up, it really explains why it went the way it did. It also revealed that my barrister had to leave early to see a family relative!!

HappyOpalMember · 15/03/2025 20:54

Yes there is an equal treatment bench book which states that provides guidance to judges and barristers about how to help the vulnerable within the system, this includes domestic abuse survivors. I was never afforded this respect and I have the evidence to prove it too.

PriOn1 · 15/03/2025 21:00

HappyOpalMember · 15/03/2025 07:07

I have just obtained part of my court transcript, where the judge and my barrister and my ex’s barristers use the fact that I was abused to decide to deny my a full hearing, cut it down to one hour and the judge says that if the barristers can crack this nut today then she will make her judgement appeal proof! They then totally assassinate my character and none of the abuse I had suffetrd by the father was even questioned instead it was used as a means to shorten their workload and further facilitate the fathers abuse of me now through the court system.

That’s awful. 😢 We should have left these attitudes behind long since.

I had my own run in, being taken through a legal process (not court) by a man demanding “compensation” for goods he claimed I had damaged.

He was lying (which I was able to demonstrate for some of the items) and in fact in his dealings with me, had been abusive. The case was a continuation of the abuse to punish me for walking away.

The lawyers ignored my description of his abuse, other than to say, “even if he had abused me, he didn’t deserve to have his goods damaged.” They chose to believe him over me, which I was utterly shocked about. I couldn’t afford to challenge it and ended up paying him most of my savings (in the low thousands of pounds). It entirely shook my world as I thought we had moved into a time when women saying they had been abused carried some weight. Apparently not. What really stung was that the lawyer who was meant to represent me did nothing. I handed her lots of evidence and she used none of it.

The anger at how badly women are being failed never really leaves now.

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