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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

EHRC consultation on updated code of practice

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Justme56 · 03/10/2024 13:29

The EHRC have opened up a consultation which runs till January 2025 on their updated code of practice in line with changes or clarifications of law since the original was written.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/media-centre/news/equality-regulator-opens-consultation-updated-code-practice

It’s a long read and to be honest if I was an employer I would still struggle to interpret some parts.

Below is some information on Gender Reassignment discrimination focussed on people who identify as NB, Genderfluid or cross dress. My interpretation is that these come under GR on the proviso that the individual’s ultimate aim is to reassign their legal sex. I’ve seen discussion on something similar re the LandRover case. I’m not sure how this works for an employer. Would a person have to declare that this is their aim to be covered? It’s often been inferred that someone identifies as NB is doing so because they don’t want to identify as any gender (often interpreted as sex) not a need to reassign their sex. Would they not be covered? It’s all confusing.

EHRC consultation on updated code of practice
EHRC consultation on updated code of practice
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Hoardasurass · 03/10/2024 13:51

@Justme56 I haven't read the update yet but how can NB be included when it's not legally recognised by the government and the last one won crt cases to stop them having to recognise it.
I'm really rather lost with this as how can something that isn't recognised in law be a protected characteristic, can someone please help me make it make sense

Chariothorses · 03/10/2024 15:24

I'm still wading through it. The guidance won't resolve the ongoing issues with commissionners failing to fund any single sex services, including for rape and sexual abuse, because the law doesn't require them, just allow them. When it was written, I don't think anyone expected the misogyny and trans extremism that has happened.

For example, several councils/ police commissioners in England (not just Scotland!) won't fund ANY female only abuse support, including for rape, because they say it would exclude men who say they are women. An example is SARSAS, whose group for rape victims who request a 'women only' group includes men who say they are trans - it's not just Edinburgh rape crisis where this is happening. There is nowhere across entire counties of England where actual women can go for support if they need the reassurance only females will be in the group session. Where VAWG staff are trans activists, they are happy to see vulnerable women excluded/ punished for not pretending TWAW and won't consider the provision of both single sex and some mixed sex services to ensure everyone can be supported - and the EIAs/ needs assessments being done are often biased, arranged to exclude the vulnerable women affected (or not done at all).

This is causing significant distress to women in many areas, but I think it's because the gov won't amend the Equality Act or GRA to clarify men with a gender are not women. I would have liked the EHRC to have pointed out that failure to provide single sex services is discriminatory towards women in some circumstances with examples.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 04/10/2024 08:15

Bump. This feels like a slippery slope. The examples of apparently acceptable cross-dressing in the OP cannot work in places such as schools, nurseries, care homes, children's holiday and activity clubs (Scouts, Brownies etc).

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