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Helen Joyce - Post-truth medicine - Gender clinics offer a charade that relies on the symbols of evidence-based medicine

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UtopiaPlanitia · 02/10/2024 14:47

Helen has written a new article that I think is really interesting and worth reading:

https://thecritic.co.uk/post-truth-medicine/

'…with the discovery of microorganisms and the invention of vaccines, antibiotics, anaesthetics and all the other weapons with which doctors now fight disease, save lives and ease pain. Few women die in childbirth any more; most children survive into adulthood. And doctors get the credit. Polls around the world routinely rank them as the professionals people trust most.
Underpinning this trust is the scientific method, especially the clinical trials that weed out promising ideas that don’t work, or that do more harm than good. The profession’s continuing failures, such as the millions of women worldwide fitted with vaginal mesh for prolapse before the rate of complications became too high to ignore, gain so much attention precisely because they are the exception rather than the rule.

But not in gender clinics, which offer a post-truth charade that relies on the signs and symbols of evidence-based medicine — consultations, diagnoses, drugs and surgeries — whilst subverting its spirit. They trade on the trust hard won by the medical profession at large, like counterfeiters who pass fakes in a market that has been lulled into a false sense of security by the sophisticated anti-forgery measures those counterfeiters have worked out how to circumvent.'

Post-truth medicine | Helen Joyce | The Critic Magazine

Before the 19th century, doctors were feared rather than trusted. Their brutal, ineffective methods earned them nicknames like quack, leech and sawbone.

https://thecritic.co.uk/post-truth-medicine

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Beebopmoon · 02/10/2024 15:36

That was a great article, thanks. I haven't heard of The Critic; think I'll subscribe.

UtopiaPlanitia · 02/10/2024 17:12

You’re welcome @Beebopmoon

I subscribed a few months ago because they publish lots of interesting articles, as well as plenty of articles by and about women. And their monthly magazine is a good read too.

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CautiousLurker · 03/10/2024 11:11

I’ve been toying with a subscription too. Will see if I can get a student rate while I am still technically a student for the next year…

heathspeedwell · 03/10/2024 11:38

Helen Joyce is so logical and compassionate - I particularly liked these paragraphs;
"Suppose puberty-blocked youngsters stop feeling gender-distressed, become much more mentally healthy and don’t display immediate side effects such as falling IQ or lower bone density. I’d still want the researchers to go back 20 years later and ask how they now feel about the impact on their genitals, their sex lives and having been put on a path to sterility in their teens.

I’d want to ask 30 years later about their careers and earnings, and 40 years later about brittle bones and early-onset dementia. I’d want to know how they’ve coped through their lives in bodies that were radically reshaped in service of an idea that has long since ceased to be fashionable, as I fully expect it will.

As for the proponents of gender medicine, they already believe in its benefits without evidence of benefit. There’s no reason to think that evidence of harm will change their minds."

RoyalCorgi · 03/10/2024 14:54

There is another thread about this:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5177641-tooth-fairy-science-and-puberty-blocker-trials

I think it's a very good piece - she always writes so clearly and persuasively. I don't see how you can devise an ethical trial for puberty blockers any more than you can devise an ethical one for, say, footbinding or chopping off someone's little finger.

Tooth Fairy Science and Puberty Blocker Trials | Mumsnet

Article in the Critic by Helen Joyce [[https://thecritic.co.uk/post-truth-medicine https://thecritic.co.uk/post-truth-medicine/]] She's question th...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5177641-tooth-fairy-science-and-puberty-blocker-trials

UtopiaPlanitia · 03/10/2024 15:09

Ta very much Corgi, I missed that thread somehow when I was looking through FWR yesterday. I shall add it to my watched list 👍

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TempestTost · 03/10/2024 18:07

I think evidence based medicine is pretty fucked over all, really.

Look at the stupid shit doctors were talking about during covid. (And still are in many places.) The Cochrane Review fiasco over their masking reviews was pretty shocking.

UtopiaPlanitia · 03/10/2024 18:18

The tendency for people in various professions to view themselves as activists and allies primarily, rather than professionals, has escaped from American academia and is not helping the public retain trust in public institutions.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 22/07/2025 18:56

I’m posting to this old thread because I think it best sums up my feelings towards this announcement today:

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/health-minister-mike-nesbitt-announces-ps800k-for-northern-ireland-gender-identity-service-5237063

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CassOle · 22/07/2025 19:02

Archive version. https://archive.ph/dpx9l

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