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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A thank you

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Enoxaparin · 28/09/2024 13:18

I first found out about mumsnet when I was sixteen. I'd come to terms with being a lesbian by then and like most young lesbians growing up in homophobic environments, I was desperate for community. I spent a lot of time on social media, especially reddit and I was extremely keen to be a good ally to the most oppressed group in my community or so I believed.

From what I'd read on reddit, mumsnet was a den of transphobes and bigots and nazis so rightfully I made a post and left a few scolding comments. It's so ridiculous when I think about it, but I had to use my "cis privilege" for good.

I was rightfully educated by posters on FWR but I wasn't ready I suppose. I spent months browsing the board, growing angrier and gultier as I found myself agreeing with some of the posters. On one occasion, I felt so guilty, I went onto a dating app I was much too young for and matched with a trans identified male person as some sort of penance. I didn't meet up with them though, thankfully.

At the time, my closest friends were two other lesbians both identifying as trans. I couldn't reconcile the image of my funny, shy friends with the news articles posted here so I decided not to believe. I used to lurk on here, trying my hardest to come up with arguments and reasonings against the facts I saw, eventually just giving up because "I won't understand due to my lack of lived experience". I ended up blocking mumsnet from my browser and spent a year identifying as non binary due to what I called "chest dysphoria" but was really me suffering from an ed.

I got into uni for medicine and I think then the walls started to crumble a little. I remember a friend at the time wanted to start testosterone and she seemed to believe it would make her taller and stronger and correct her "wrong puberty" but from my lectures and teachings, I knew that wasn't true. I tried to explain and of course I was met with calls to educate myself. At the time, I remember thinking to myself that if I, as a first year medic was starting to lose faith in the whole changing sex idea, how do actual doctors who've been in education for decades, maintain their belief?

I dismissed my doubts though and joined my uni's lgbt soc that was lgb in name alone. I complained once that there were never any socials for lesbian or gay men, but again I was told to recognise my privilege. At this point, I had genuinely begun to believe I had become transphobic from all my hate reading mumsnet. Very ridiculous, I know. Nevertheless, I had to fix this by interacting with actual trans people like I had been told.

I joined discord groups, read subreddits, watched movies and tv and stopped avoiding uni socials for QTPOC+ in the hopes that I would be a better ally or something. But the more I spent time with them, the more I knew that all those posts I'd read years ago were more true than I was willing to admit. It seemed that everywhere I went was more and more dismissive of the fact that misogyny was real and lesbians were homosexual women. I felt like I was going insane and I had no one to speak to.

Then I saw a tiktok video positing that JKR and many women with unsavory beliefs had lied about their abuse and the repeated harassment of Amber Heard took off. In real life I had people I considered friends saying disgusting things to me under the guise of "queer rights". It seemed the only women with sense left were the so called bigots and nazis and transphobes. It took me a year to stop believing, but I did eventually and thinking back to how deeply I'd fallen in as a child makes me so sad. But I am thankful that I found this website, thankful for the women who are brave enough to speak up and thankful that I just couldn't stay away.

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AmeliaEarache · 29/09/2024 14:45

It’s hard finding yourself out of step with your tribe. I think you’ve been very brave.

NitroNine · 29/09/2024 16:57

Controversial choice over Dalteparin there OP 😉

Medicine very much needs people who will reevaluate things when presented with new evidence; & who can act dispassionately yet compassionately (the impossible balance that’s the Platonic ideal). It sounds, from your posts, as if you fall into that category. It is hard to tread your own path rather than follow along with the herd; but it comes down to making that choice between what is right & what is easy.

As for “posh” - even now, in medicine, being well-spoken is an advantage. And we can all say it shouldn’t be, but it is 🤷‍♀️ When I was at university (almost 20 years ago now!) my Director of Studies kept me back after a class one afternoon (the first she’d taught of the course in question) & asked “who is that girl with the dreadful voice?”. The young woman in question had a very similar accent (you’d have to be an expert to spot the differences) to my local one - which my parents & grandparents were very strict about my siblings & me not adopting. My closest uni friend from a similar background to me also had a “posh” speaking voice - because coming from where we do, we don’t have the luxury of not opening our mouths & sounding like we belong. It was helpful that in both of our cultures it’s usual to call your parents “mummy & daddy” whatever your age - helped with the blend.

“Posh” speech is aps

IwantToRetire · 29/09/2024 21:16

I have been called a "terf" and "white supremacist" (I'm black) for showing her (JKR) support

Sorry to ask, but this is just way beyond anything upsidedown thinking.

Supporting JKR is a sign of being a white supremacist.

I wonder how many middle aged and older people who went to university look back and think, I cant believe I said that - or maybe they just have blanked that period of their life from their minds.

But sorry OP that added to the kneejerk terf comments, you are having other inappropriate and insulting responses from people.

Keepingcosy · 29/09/2024 21:50

Thank you for this post.

I'm not a lesbian but DH and I are friends with a group of older lesbians, many of which are butch. It seems so obvious that if they'd been in their teens / 20s even 30s today, there would be a lot of trans identification in their community and that seems to chime with your experience.

Helen Joyce astutely said that men and women are different which is why their motivations for 'transition' are different.

I believe that gay rights, Pride, gay representation in the media etc has sidelined butch lesbians massively. We haven't normalised / glamorised this group and this is why young lesbian women feel life is easier / better to identify as trans. That's just my take fwiw.

The reason people like me care is that I don't want healthy young women to medicalise themselves & make themselves sick and something they are not. I also think this demographic is actually stunning and brave - for being unapologetically themselves, and to just say 'I'm actually a man, or a bit of both' is a loss for womanhood & all the things we can be.

uncutdiamonds · 30/09/2024 09:43

Enoxaparin · 28/09/2024 13:33

Thank you and that's really unfortunate but not surprising. Most people on my course who believe in gender identity just say that the whole medical institution is transphobic whilst ignoring the dangers and it's rare to be a lesbian who is not at least she/they nowadays so I think most people go along with it for community.

Thanks OP for your lovely post. You've been through quite a journey. It shows that it's all very well sniggering at people who are outside your tribe (who you think are obviously wrong for X reasons), but actually going against your tribe is a million times harder. So respect to you.

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