Moira Deeming defamation trial - Thread 2 from Australia

[TheSandgroper]

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on?page=40&reply=138525746

Tribunal Tweets Substack https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/moira-deeming-v-john-pesutto-a-case?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share. Thanks to @BezMills

Thanks to everyone on thread 1. I am pleased it generated such interest and conversations. I have learnt a lot from many very bright women.

I didn't listen to yesterday's but I listened to the first morning part of the previous two days and he came across as slippery and disingenuous throughout to me.

Thanks for copying this live tweeting, @Helleofabore

No worries. I had time and was seeing bits and pieces floating around. It always takes some time for the TT Substack to update. I love reading their aggregation.

On paper he's coming across as a man who had decided he was getting Moira out of the party by any means necessary.

Then the rally came along, the neo nazis turned up and instead of doing any due diligence just ran with the rubbish that's usually on KJKs wiki page (The same rubbish that gets posted on here by some posters frequently -that is always proved to be wrong) and he jumped at the chance to get her out by blindsiding her with you're aligned with Nazis fully expecting her to resign.

Those answers 😮 Pesutto is a real piece of work, isn’t he?

Haven’t read the transcript but absolutely 100% he came across as disingenuous, slippery, slimey, misogynistic and and an all round arsehole. From what my DH saw he said it reminded him of some of his previous bosses being gaslighting arseholes. He can’t handle watching much of it because of that.

Thanks, Helleofabore.

I know nothing about Clive Palmer, never heard of him until today, but the claim that a centre-right politician would want to hide a donation to a politician who is also on the right seemed a bit odd.
I thought there might be a special reason why he wouldn't want to be seen to support MD, but so far there doesn't appear to be. So no reason to think Anna Palmer is not the source of the donation.

@Helleofabore
thank you for the coverage.

Pesutto: “She helped organise and promote a rally w/ ppl who had associations w/ ppl who had known links with neo-Nazis”

it’s all a bit, I’ve danced with a man, who’s danced with a girl, who’s danced with the Prince of Wales.

Cowardly, shifty, callous and self-serving - that is my impression of Pesutto from the transcript of his testimony.

I'm relieved to see any politician calling out paedophile adjacent organisations - no matter what country. They're doing their job. Left wing politicians like Cashman (House of Lords) who present safeguarding children as right wing bigotry are downright dangerous.
Even on here we occasionally get posters trying to shame and silence women talking about safeguarding using sexist tropes like "pearl clutching" etc and attempting to control the language used.

Child abuse is so endemic that sometimes politicians need to use straight talking. Nobody should be free from scrutiny if they're involved with children.

And thank you to everyone for taking such time to provide transcripts etc. For those us ignorant of the political issues it's such an interesting case.

This is from a tweet from Kit Kowalski.

https://x.com/kowalskikit/status/1839122511482737018?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

Chrysanthou: "By 8:40pm on 19th March what did you know about Jean Francoise Garipey?...did you watch the interview between Mr Garipey and KJK?"

P: "No I read the article"

C: Didn't you think you should watch the full interview before you spent a day telling the press about it?

P: I relied on staff

C: None of your staff watched it did they?

P: No but I had asked my Chief of Staff how solid is this information?

Now, many of us who went through the dossier when it was released checked this. That interview has not been live to watch since at least that time of release, and likely much before that. The channel had already been deleted by then.

This was directly out of Wikipedia.

So, rather than ever addressing what it was that KJK said in that interview, the focus has always been that she ‘shared a platform’. She also, by the way, had stated she did not know the person’s other views and she had publicly rejected his other views too. Back when she was told who he was.

However, the dossier did not present KJK’s rejection. It was never a properly researched dossier. It really was very lazy.

"Lazy" is too kind.

God, that transcript is unbelievable.

He's accusing her of associating with people who associate with people who are Nazis. Even tho that actual 'association' takes the form of KJK being interviewed by someone who's right wing (not a Nazi), after she's said she'll be interviewed by anyone if necessary and he agrees that she thinks Nazism is odious and contemptible!

I've never seen such muppetry.

Also, a politician quite publicly admits to writing a public apology where he has deliberately very carefully worded it so that he's not actually apologising for for the thing he says he is.

Score!

Can someone refresh my memory of who exactly it is that he is complaining KJK was interviewed by. She's been interviewed by so many people, I've lost track.

I know a number of people personally who have suffered hardship due to Clive Palmer’s business decisions.

In saying that, he has always been completely upfront that his entry into politics was about disruption. He is a political disrupter and I cannot see this as a negative thing. People should have choice in a democracy.

Jean Francois Gariepy from Canada.

I believe he was a nationalist. I am not sure what other labels were accurate. I will go back and check.

Here Datun

I wrote this about it being in the dossier last year.

—— start

So, so far, it seems that No. 7
"In October 2019, Keen appeared in a video interview with Jean-François Gariépy, a far-right YouTuber who advocates for a "white ethno-state" and who has made videos with neo-Nazis Richard B. Spencer and Mark Collett as well as former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke.1 The interview with Jean-François Gariépy is documented by the following material:"

Is not denied, but has been followed up with a denouncement.
That denouncement was not included in the dossier.
This was in the article but not screenshotted as of September 2020

"Parker told PinkNews that she was asked to go on the show by Gariépy’s assistant, and that she gave his channel a cursory look and “nothing at the time stood out as anything unusual or problematic”."

"She added: “I make it my business to avoid researching or policing the entire spectrum of someone’s views, I think the mutilation of healthy children’s bodies is too important, and so it’s not usual for me to do an FBI style background check."

"“I am, of course, concerned at the accusations I have heard since recording the show. The misogyny was not something that surprised me, it is very much at home in both the left and the right of politics, whether it be the enforcement of traditional roles through to pretending we don’t know what a woman is."

"“White supremacy and the racism that fuels it has no place in a civilised society, I abhor those views and the people that hold them. As a free speech advocate I think dialogue, even with those with the most odious prejudices, is essential. How are we ever to change or challenge them if we don’t engage? These days so many people are called Nazis and far right that the prophetic warning that we will no longer recognise the real ones is beginning to come true.”"

-end of my post-

And I think it was doubly relevant because IF Pesutto’s team has done even 5 minutes extra work, they would have found this quote from KJK.

Quite a relevant quote about abhoring Nazis that… could have save significant pain.

Yes, is that in keeping with the terms of the agreement?!

Thank you.

And yes, he sounds like a nasty piece of work. And KJK's explanation sounds completely unequivocal in her opinion.

And I think it was doubly relevant because IF Pesutto’s team has done even 5 minutes extra work, they would have found this quote from KJK.

yes. Well given he words his statements very carefully so he can deny the gist wholesale afterwards, it wouldn't surprise me if that quote was found, read to him, and ignored.

I'm quite enjoying his cross examination, to be honest. What do you mean by 'association with' and 'in league', I mean 'being interviewed by' - 'even though she said she hates them' 😂

It seems to be a global virus that five degrees of separation has become reality.

Nobody, but nobody, except for the most extreme, will be that pure.

Remember too, this is a politician who admitted to having his photo taken with random people all the time, yet used selfies taken by other people of themselves with KJK as evidence she was ‘associating’ with them. He used being at a conference as an example, yet, one of those accusations on Wikipedia was of her having a photo taken with someone accused of being far right.

The hypocrisy of this man’s accusations have been very surprising. It is blatant.

re: purity

It's a quandrary right enough - how can you be on here telling posters off for dodgy associations - when that just puts you in the same GUILT BUCKET by being here.

The old 'I was just doing research' or 'I was just there to tell them off' won't butter many parsnips when the tranish inquisition comes calling, I fear.

The hypocrisy of this man’s accusations have been very surprising. It is blatant.

Absolutely.

And I wouldn't mind, but KJK is completely upfront about talking to anyone, even the devil himself.

And we come back to same issue of, if the left were lining up to interview her, ie the right sort, the devil wouldn't be getting a look in.

You can't avoid the conclusion that the left agrees with the ideology.

Regardless of the outcome of the case, I can’t see how his leadership survives, given his true colours and poor leadership skills have been revealed, all while an open goal of a failing Labor state government sits there unchallenged.