New research shows high levels of desistance in teenagers with gender dysphoria.

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https://www.nysun.com/article/new-evidence-challenges-institutionalized-belief-that-transgender-teens-become-transgender-adults-undermining-core-defense-of-medical-gender-transitions-for-minors?member_gift=CUZ5qwd3crq4pmz-xrd

Researchers for two studies in Germany and America tracked insurance records for teenagers diagnosed with gender dysphoria and found the majority no longer had that diagnosis within six years.

'The steepest drop-off was among the group of natal females who were in their late teens in 2017, just 27 percent of whom retained such a diagnosis five years later.'

In a different article Swedish psychiatrist Sven Roman advocates for medical transition to be delayed until the age of 25 to allow full brain development and understanding of the consequences.
https://www.genderclinicnews.com/p/off-the-trans-train-b1f

Thank you for link.

What's been happening in Sweden is such concrete evidence of social contagion that I find it really hard to understand how there's anyone left out there who genuinely believes that puberty blockers are in a child's best interests.

The graph makes it crystal clear.

Off the trans train - by Bernard Lane - Gender Clinic News

No doubt Australian GenderFanatics will dismiss this, just as they have the Cass Report and all other evidence showing the horror and delusions of gender affirming treatment and GI.

After all, their argument is that Australians are not (insert other nationality here), so the conclusions have no relevance to Australians.

It is equally despicable and desperate the way GI ideologues are refusing to see the mounting unequivocal evidence in front of their faces, in their desperation to continue pushing the trans agenda in Australia.

As PP posted, I too am waiting for these ghouls to face judgement for their actions and ideology.

Thanks for sharing.

I think it’s interesting and also positive that this is coming from Sweden (and Finland is also mentioned). 2 countries that are generally socially liberal. Hardly bastions of right wing thinking and conservatism are they?

I believe they have also escaped some of the tribalism of UK and US politics as well as the post modernism bullshit which means they still respect scientific research and the opinions of experts.

“Personal identity is formed in several stages and reassessed over time. The search for identity is not a single irreversible event. We don’t see many 55-year-old punks on the streets, even though their identification was very strong when they were young.

“Changing legal gender during what may be a temporary identity crisis risks putting [young] people on an irreversible path towards medical treatments that can lead to sterility and bodily harm,” Professor Landén said.

I think this is a really important and worthwhile comment to stress.

There was me as a child, me as teen, then uni me, then post uni me, travelling me, post travel me, living together me and my current me.

I'd say I was very different in each phase. I'm sure I will have more yet.

Traditional Chinese medicine has a new phase roughly every seven years in women's lives:

• Foundation and growth: From 0–6 years.
• Transition and transformation: From 7–13 years.
• Blossoming and self-discovery: From 14–20 years.
• Vitality and spiritual awakening: From 21–27 years.
• Fertility, nurturing, and balancing: From 28–34 years.
• Clarity and knowledge: From 35–41 years and 42–48 years.
• Wisdom: From 49–55 years.
• Authenticity: From 55 years and beyond.

This does actually roughly tie up with my life experience and I'm sure others here will do the same.

If we generally have this as a foundation of our understanding of life from an early age, I can't help but think a lot of this identity politics stuff wouldnt be taken as seriously as it is.

So pleased to see this. I know it is (spectacularly) unsurprising but I would like to see this confirmed in print by every country, hospital and doctor in the world. Maybe then people will get the message about just how evil it is to transition children. And I hope the lawyers are reading this too and sharpening their knives.

I'm sure there will be headlines tomorrow about this in all the newspapers.

Oh, hang on...

“Researchers for two studies in Germany and America tracked insurance records for teenagers diagnosed with gender dysphoria and found the majority no longer had that diagnosis within six years.”

No, they didn’t. The article has slyly conflated gender incongruence with gender dysphoria.

Ah the old 'real trans' versus 'not trans'.

Because it's soooo easy to tell the difference and isn't problematic when your political position, as plastered all over MN, is affirmation only without the need for a diagnosis.

I mean that's what you regularly say about how kids should be treated in schools isn't it Dadjoke.

When someone is inconvenient to the narrative they suddenly become 'never trans in the first place'. Despite all the 'you must believe them without exception'

Cognitive Dissonance.

The whole facade of this ideology falls apart on contact with reality.

You need to reread my advice if you think that’s true.

People with actual gender dysphoria diagnoses under DSM5 rarely detransition, and gender affirmation surgery amongst those who have it has some of the lowest regret rates of any surgery.

In fact, it’s been used as a model for other procedures. It’s also illegal in the UK on minors. Medical decisions should be made by doctors and their patients, not politicians and gender critical people, but I repeat myself.

“Medical decisions should be made by doctors and their patients”

I would normally agree with that statement, but it has not gone well in this particular field, has it? Per CASS review there is not much data at all, so how you make your assertion about regret rates is beyond me.

This a million times! Teenagers try things, especially if their friends do too. They then grow up!

I've read enough of your posts berating women for saying exactly what was in the Cass Review and how so many medical professionals were acting in a way that required the whistleblowing...

...so yeah. I see right through the cognitive dissonance and reverse ferreting and have for a very long time.

Oh I like that. All sounds very positive!

People with actual gender dysphoria diagnoses under DSM5 rarely detransition

So what you're saying is that the teenage girls who have been given puberty blockers and testosterone, and sometimes had double mastectomies, weren't actually properly diagnosed before receiving this so-called medical treatment.

Why would anyone be being treated with hormones and surgery if they didn't have an actual dysphoria diagnosis?! This could mean terrible harm was being done to healthy children for no good reason!

Cos their parents could afford to buy it off the internet?

No, I am not saying any of the stuff you’ve just put in my mouth.

This is what I am saying:

The headline is wrong.

Detransition rates after surgery are tiny.

Well. You can't sew bits back on.

If people are misunderstanding you it's because you're not making yourself clear. You said:

People with actual gender dysphoria diagnoses under DSM5 rarely detransition

The article is about young people who transitioned as teenagers who then detransitioned a few years later.

From the OP:

Researchers for two studies in Germany and America tracked insurance records for teenagers diagnosed with gender dysphoria and found the majority no longer had that diagnosis within six years.

'The steepest drop-off was among the group of natal females who were in their late teens in 2017, just 27 percent of whom retained such a diagnosis five years later.'

According to this, 73% of these young women had detransitioned within five years of being diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

According to you, people who are properly diagnosed rarely detransition. This is not the case for these young women. Therefore either your statement that such people rarely detransition is untrue or these young women weren't properly diagnosed.

I think we all know how surgery works.

If you are suggest we ban a surgical procedure which has a very high satisfaction rate because of the tiny number who are not satisfied, that would be the end of most non-urgent surgery. It’s lower, for example, than vasectomies.

This is simply not true. He has slyly segued from gender in congruence to gender dysphoria, as his original source did. The article is wrong.

Just so you know he is lying - here is a link to the study.

www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/239563

Can you be more clear who and what you are referring to here? Who is 'he'? Is the 'original source' the paper in aerzteblatt.de or the article in the New York Sun, or something else? Which article is wrong?

The paper (https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/239563) is quite clear about what is being referred to and clearly defines what is being discussed according to the ICD definitions.

Despite the fact that gender identity disorders (wording according to ICD-10; ICD-11: gender incongruence) have attracted significantly more public and scientific attention in recent years, especially in the context of transsexuality in adolescents (1), quantitative data on this topic are still scarce in Germany.

The prevalence of the as confirmed coded psychiatric ICD-10 diagnosis F64 “gender identity disorders“ (transsexualism [F64.0], dual-role transvestism [F64.1], gender identity disorder of childhood [F64.2], other gender identity disorders [F64.8], gender identity disorder, unspecified [F64.9]) in at least two quarters of a calender year were evaluated for insured persons aged 5 to 24 years for the calendar year period 2013–2022 (approximately 13.4–14.0 million insured persons) and stratified by age and sex (male/female). In a sensitivity analysis, the ICD-10 diagnosis F66 (psychological and behavioral disorders associated with sexual development and orientation) was also included.

What's your objection to the definitions?

Again, who is the 'he' that you're referring to?