Scotland became the laboratory for trans extremism – and it’s not just the SNP’s fault

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Three recent events have confirmed that Scotland’s civic sphere has drastically over-reached itself on the subject of gender ideology. ...

And still politicians at Holyrood, politicians of most of the main parties (with the honourable exception of the Scottish Conservatives) refuse even to discuss the issue, for fear that they will be asked what is, to them, the unanswerable question, What is a woman? ...

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/19/scotland-became-the-laboratory-for-trans-extremism/

Can also be read at https://archive.is/lkkdj

Ha! I had big row with transwoman friend about this. TWF's take - yes, of course women can ask for single-sex service. But there's limited money, so we can't give every client group every little thing they want.

There's no arguing with this madness.

That makes me so angry.

It was perfectly possible and we did in fact have women only services until very recently.

When the men turned up and pissed all over it.

I worked in a national quango some years ago. It was a running joke that 'of course, it's different in Scotland'.

Every bloody thing.

Cost vastly more per head of population to deliver services because everything had to be different, apparently for the sake of it.

Of course, there's some sense in tailoring services to local requirements but that didn't seem to be the driver.

Well as long as the important, but marginalised people get what they want of course!

Trans extremism burnt out the last of Sturgeon's vanishing credibility. She was SO ANGRY when a young journalist pushed her on the Isla Bryson issue because she knew she couldn't give a reasonable answer that didn't pull the rug out from under the entire ideology.

Humza was hardly better, stating 'this individual is a chancer' but refusing to acknowledge his actual sex.

Patrick Harvie was the cunty faced icing on the misogynist cake.

I really hope Westminster was watching very carefully. If you want a job with a big salary and a free flat, don't talk laughable bobbins to the people you want votes from. Enjoy your erasure.

Lack of a second chamber doesn't help.

And yes, performatively doing everything differently from Westminster is madness.

See also Scotland's very dubious closely interlinked political and judicial systems.

Also:

https://archive.ph/DIdqE

'At least 20 politicians, political advisers and civil servants from across the spectrum in Scotland have left to work as professional lobbyists trying to influence their former colleagues, prompting criticisms of the “revolving door” in Scottish politics.

It's definitely not the driver.
The driver is about being different. Tons of stuff is about being different.

I just finished reading 'The women who wouldn't wheesht', which left me both enraged and (until I read this thread) a bit baffled.

They were treated so badly: lost jobs, cancelled venues, literal violence. The government blatantly rigged the consultation, and showered their opponents with hundreds of thousands in grant money, while they had to make do with crowdfunding at £37 per average donation.

And all just to preserve the status quo (even that needed a S35 intervention!).

I was baffled as to why it was like this, but PP have described how the smallness of the country means the establishment is somewhat tight and monolithic, which makes sense. It's infected from top to toe, isn't it?

I'm not sure the article is right to say no MSPs spoke up - it ignores those who did show their integrity at cost to themselves.

Yes, and they are important.

On "Isla being sent to a female prison" the media was very misleading about this.

She was held at a woman's prison in remand and in solitary having no contact with the other prisoners, until the decision was made whether she would serve time in a M or F prison (all such cases are decided case to case).

No sex offending bloke belongs in a women's person, whether on remand, or on a list of 'shall we or shan't we petrify women today?'

Why was a decision needed?
No decision was needed, he is male, complete with cock and balls (see pink leggings image) and the ability to RAPE. He should never have been anywhere near a womans / female / bleeders / split arses / fanny's / cunts / bitches / womb owners prison.

Use any description you want he ain't female and should never have been anywhere near females.

How much money and time was wasted even holding that meeting?

On "Isla being sent to a female prison" the media was very misleading about this.

She was held at a woman's prison in remand and in solitary having no contact with the other prisoners, until the decision was made whether she would serve time in a M or F prison (all such cases are decided case to case)

Isla would have been housed in the female prison had there not been a public outcry.

In fact Isla was on his way to Barlinnie initially but was instead transferred to Cornton Vale. With some suggestion that it may have been a Scot gov intervention to put him in a female facility.

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/31/scottish-ministers-say-they-did-not-know-rapist-isla-bryson-was-put-in-womens-prison

"Patrick Harvie was the cunty faced icing on the misogynist cake."

He really was.

The Fudmeister General and chief patriach is an utter disgrace.

Exactly, @Needanewname42 There are children in impoverished parts of Scotland who go to school hungry and in unwashed uniforms and broken shoes so it’s a fucking disgrace that anyone in Holyrood even wastes a moment in their work time discussing trans bollox.

No he wasn't he was in the vulnerable prisoners wing with pregnant women and he was going to be put in general population. They'd even agreed to let Tiffany Scott move to a woman's prison

Ffs.

What absolute fucking inhumanity thinks it's okay to put a violent rapist in with not just women, but the most vulnerable women they can find.

I think there was an element of the SNP wanting so much to prove that they were more progressive and empathetic than those evil Tories down south, that they opened their minds so much their brains fell out.

Also, off topic but does anyone know who staffs the Telegraph's picture desk? Because there's clearly a bunch of terfs given the editorial choices they make of pics to accompany articles about the TRA movement.

I'd like to send them a Christmas hamper of Tunnocks.

of all the things to look forward to as the gender train comes off the rails, Harvie, Slater and person person living under a bridge and subsisting off pot noodles is right up there.

I wonder if the "smallness" of the Government is not so much making it easier for the madness to take hold, but it just seems so more overt.

Whereas in Westminster, the same madness exists and is silent supported by all those MPs who dont speak out.

And not sure that the UK's second house has done much for women's sex based rights.

But can see although if in terms of numbers those in positions of influence are pretty much the same people who interact through politics, arts, whatever how an exteme position can then seem to be the norm.

Although in my mind, the most harmful is the infiltration of this group think into the voluntary and charity sector. That whether because of personal connections, personal politics or threat to funding that so many didn't just stay silent but cheered on and applauded the loud voices accussing women of being transpobic, right wing, reactionary and so on just for having the basic concept that women are a biological sex, and that they have rights.

Is misogyny overt in Scotland? Asking because as I believe that part of the problem is the underlying and long standing supporters MRAs who create the mind set that women are not important, that they dont need to be listened to (or maybe some lip service gestures) because it is only because woman are seen as not having any value that allows the TRA agenda to go unchallenged. If society valued women, society would never accept that a group of men can tell women we will define you.

Part of it is the Government just trying to be different.

I didn't use to see a benefit to having the House of Lords, old men and women, who don't need to worry about their own future, they can say what they really think with no concerns about cash or getting voted back in or trying to get promoted to cabinet etc.

It kind of forces a bit of common sense in the HoC because they'll look daft if they force stuff through for the HoLs to knock it back.

But now I see what happens in Scotland without it.
The SNP MSPs have been whipped into line. Regardless of what they really believe, a few brave MSPs stood out of line but they've ended up defaulting to other parties or their career is over.

And there is very little in the way of independent thinking going on.
I now understand how dictatorships work.