BBC at it again "pregnant people"

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Naga talking about the maternity crisis at 0723 this morning referred to pregnant people. Do they do this on purpose to piss me off before breakfast? Complaint going in.

Oh for gods sake, really? I’ll watch on catch up, and complain too. Language matters.

FFS 🤦‍♀️. Come on BBC, this is ridiculous

I've cancelled my licence. Had enough of their shit.

I was reading it in a children’s book yesterday.

”When a person with a penis & a person with a vagina want to to make a baby…” So, a man & a woman, then?

They've now got a piece on Hysteroscopy - Naga and Charlie failed to mention that it was a procedure undergone by women.

Patients and people. Women - no mate they don't exist anymore. 😡

Back in the day, people used to care about the public understanding of science (and healthcare).

Now? They positively advocate to contribute to it and positively champion it.

Naga has talked about her horrendous experience of having a coil fitted, so you would think she and Charlie would have an understanding of why she went through that and why he never will.

Glad I turned off by them. My complaint would have been extremely long otherwise

They had a "women and pregnant people" on Woman's Hour earlier from a guest.

Two things on this:
There is no thread on the actual subject. There should be. We are at risk of sticking our own heads up our arse on this one.

The BBC news online article uses the word woman throughout.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgvl8l5q0xo

Let me stress here whats REALLY important

HARM AGAINST WOMEN IS BEING NORMALISED IN ENGLAND'S MATERNITY SERVICES.

Some of us have been banging on about this on MN for over a decade and how the data clearly bloody showed this.

This is one of those cases where, if we are more concerned about the use of the word woman, over the actual harm we are missing the point.

You all know, how I view the importance of language and how dangerous it is. But this is an example of another conscious, where you lose sight of something so significant.

If nothing else the financial cost to the country will be enormous.

And here's something - Wes Streeting is quoted in the above BBC article.
Health Secretary Wes Streeting said: “These findings are cause for national shame.
"Women deserve better - childbirth should not be something they fear or look back on with trauma.”

National Shame.

They were doing the same thing with scans of the uterus, this morning. 'People' all the way through, and then two women speaking about how incredibly painful this procedure was.

They reported that 33% of women having a hysteroscopy experienced pain at 7/10 or higher then immediately after had a gynecologist saying that the vast majority of women feel no pain but a small few do experience significant discomfort. When 33% experience severe pain I wouldn't be saying the vast majority feel no pain - 1/3 of women undergoing the procedure is not a small minority.

Really? Why not get angry about the state of maternity care rather than the factually correct words? I am a pregnant person right now. Do something useful with your obvious amounts of spare time.

People can be bothered about more than one issue, at the same time. Wild I know 🙄.

Absolute joke. We used to have a name didn't we, what was it now..... Oh that's right, women 🙄
But who cares about clarity or truth when you can be "inclusive".

It's a bit silly. But does it matter.

OMG. My particular annoyance is men (and boys) who say "we're pregnant".
NO YOU'RE NOT.
Your wife/girlfriend/female partner IS!

Sorry.

I totally get this.

However it's depressed me that the OP thought the priority for starting a thread was to whinge about language use rather than the wider subject in this case.

Both ARE important but putting the emphasis on language for this particular story is really not ok and has totally missed the sheer magnitude of this ongoing scandal.

I feel there's a wider indifference to harms to women that are just normalised and this is part of that normalisation and minimisation of physical harm.

Remember in terms of human rights, physical harms come as the top priority, followed by other concerns such as concerns about dignity and privacy etc.

If you are somehow forgetting this you are forgetting the principles of balancing risk and needs that underpin the importance of using the correct wording.

This isn't an either or. It's understandable the whole picture and how you focus and why you focus on that part in that particular way matters.

It's a time and place kinda argument. This thread is poor form because of that.

I am a pregnant person right now.

What's your sex? Don't tell me....female! Ask me how I know.

It’s on NHS websites too in maternity literature “the pregnant person can bring one person for support”

PREGNANT WOMEN

Putting the emphasis on language is important here. Everyone has heard that the state of maternity care is abominable, however, if you listened to the BBC, you might be mistaken for thinking this affected all people, not just women. Accuracy when reporting things like this is important, because it is a sex issue. Do you honestly think any male only healthcare would be allowed to get in this state? Because I don't.

I am as enraged as anyone else about the state of medical care for women. I don't need the BBC implying that this isn't a sex based issue. It is.

Also, I'll start a thread on whatever I want, I don't need permission from you or anyone else.

Sorry @RedToothBrush that was meant to quote @Peonies12

Hi, I didn't see this thread, but have just posted on the site this morning about the BBC coverage of today's major news story in which the presenters and reporters repeatedly talk of 'people' coming forward, 'people' alleging they were raped and sexual assaulted by a famous (heterosexual) man. They would never do this in a story about racism, disability or religious discrimination - in all those cases they would be specific about which group is the perpetrator, which the victim.