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Police Scotland’s practice on self-ID does not comply with court ruling

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IwantToRetire · 11/09/2024 19:06

MurrayBlackburnMackenzie’s petition to the Scottish Parliament’s Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee on accurately recording the sex of those accused or charged with rape, was covered in today’s Herald: “Police Scotland face backlash over gender ID policy“.

The article highlighted the letter Police Scotland recently submitted to the Committee reiterating its position that “the sex/gender identification of individuals who come into contact with the police will be based on how they present or how they self-declare”. Extraordinarily, in seeking to explain this, Police Scotland said that this practice promoted “a strong sense of belonging”.

Our response was quoted by the Herald: “We thought we were beyond being shocked and dismayed by the treatment of rape victims in the Scottish judicial system, but we never expected that Police Scotland would rate a rapist’s ‘strong sense of belonging’ above the law as set out in the Court of Session’s ruling last year, and above the impact of such a grotesque lie on women who have already suffered so much at the hands of an abuser.”

For Women Scotland have written to the members of the Committee - see letter at https://forwomen.scot/08/09/2024/police-scotlands-practice-on-self-id-does-not-comply-with-court-ruling/

Police Scotland's practice on self-ID does not comply with court ruling - For Women Scotland

MurrayBlackburnMackenzie’s petition to the Scottish Parliament’s Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee on accurately recording the sex of those accused or charged with rape, was covered in today’s Herald: “Police Scotland face backlash o...

https://forwomen.scot/08/09/2024/police-scotlands-practice-on-self-id-does-not-comply-with-court-ruling

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Forester1 · 11/09/2024 19:50

I hope this gets into mainstream media and Police Scotland have to change their position.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 11/09/2024 21:59

Forester1 · 11/09/2024 19:50

I hope this gets into mainstream media and Police Scotland have to change their position.

My fondest hope is that they become the object of ridicule that they deserve to be on this matter.

That and taking the Clype's Charter so seriously…

LongtailedTitmouse · 11/09/2024 22:03

It requires a judicial review. Sadly there is not enough money to pay for all the JR required on this. (Someone must be siphoning off those American right wing millions).

Imnobody4 · 12/09/2024 18:11

Question asked in Scottish parliament.

https://x.com/Scot_Feminists/status/1834216152781689297?t=DblGVRvTc3iVErR7N_5nvg&s=19

Behold! The slopiest shoulders in Scotland can be witnessed, blaming @PoliceScotland for recording the sex of sex offenders on the basis of self ID. "Nothing to do with me guv" says @ScotGovFM. This is like the scene in Resevoir Dogs while all the men point guns at each other.

x.com

https://x.com/Scot_Feminists/status/1834216152781689297?s=19&t=DblGVRvTc3iVErR7N_5nvg

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/09/2024 15:04

How can Swinney stand up after Regan’s excellent question and basically say, ‘Nuthin’ to do with us, guv 🤷‍♀️’?

Parliamentarians create the laws to which the police and judiciary adhere in carrying out their function. Therefore, ScotGov can very easily require crime statistics to be recorded correctly by sex rather than gender.

LongtailedTitmouse · 13/09/2024 16:08

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/09/2024 15:04

How can Swinney stand up after Regan’s excellent question and basically say, ‘Nuthin’ to do with us, guv 🤷‍♀️’?

Parliamentarians create the laws to which the police and judiciary adhere in carrying out their function. Therefore, ScotGov can very easily require crime statistics to be recorded correctly by sex rather than gender.

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Because the alternative, ‘its Westminster’s fault’, would be greeted with even more derision?

lcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2024 11:26

New article in the Times

https://archive.ph/CmZX1

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/police-under-pressure-from-watchdog-board-member-over-self-id-p7rjvvxdw

This can't be said too often (my bold)

Calum Steele, the former general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers, has attacked Police Scotland for its self-ID approach, “The institutions of the state have taken leave of their senses,”

Police under pressure from watchdog board member over self-ID

Katharina Kasper, from the Scottish Police Authority, has warned that force’s gender self-identification rules could affect sexual assault survivors

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/police-under-pressure-from-watchdog-board-member-over-self-id-p7rjvvxdw

IwantToRetire · 19/09/2024 16:56

“The institutions of the state have taken leave of their senses”

And not just in Scotland sadly.

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