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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans allies at work

45 replies

biddyboo · 10/09/2024 07:34

Do you have these at your work? Their main remit seems to be to stalk our work social media and intranet, policing people for saying the "wrong" thing. They also regularly write self-congratulary blogs about how fantastic they are. They talk about, with no sense of self-awareness, how good they are at standing up to bullies. Apart from a little band of followers, most people seem to avoid engaging with them now as don't want to risk an onslaught. Apparently they are supported by HR 😕 Ironically, they are what peaked me 😄

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RedToothBrush · 10/09/2024 16:28

The DEI backlash is well and truly happening though. Particularly in corporate areas.

When you start realising who is at the front of the queue in redundancy consultations over the next few years, it might focus minds a bit.

wincarwoo · 10/09/2024 16:35

@biddyboo one of my complaints was that the women's groups is also for those that "identify as women".

I pointed out that then it isn't a women's group and that nobody in the group had been consulted on the inclusion of males. Also that some women would not feel able to be included on religious grounds. Particularly as some discussions relate to female biology.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2024 16:43

wincarwoo · 10/09/2024 15:20

The women's network and pride network complained about my pro-women posts on the women's network teams chat and I asked me to remove them (they'd made someone feel "unsafe")

I refused and turned the whole thing round into a complaint about them and their ignorance of the Equality Act. Am awaiting a response.

Well done to you too Flowers

IwantToRetire · 10/09/2024 17:36

wincarwoo · 10/09/2024 15:20

The women's network and pride network complained about my pro-women posts on the women's network teams chat and I asked me to remove them (they'd made someone feel "unsafe")

I refused and turned the whole thing round into a complaint about them and their ignorance of the Equality Act. Am awaiting a response.

I was finding this thread really depressing, as it shows just how far women's rights are being undermined by institutions and keen boot lickers.

Then I read this and thought fantastic.

Maybe we need a web site or something where all good tips like this could be shared.

Or ask all the SEEN networks that now exist could share to their members.

Sumpathies and respect for all of you who have to endure this is your work place.

Long live the guerilla warfare tactics of dinosaurs!

wincarwoo · 10/09/2024 18:10

I have to give thanks back to everyone who contributes to FWR threads as you've given me the knowledge and confidence to go for it.

Happy to contribute in any way to help others to fight back

Feckedupbundle · 10/09/2024 18:32

When I read stuff like this,it makes me even more grateful for being self employed.

ArabellaScott · 10/09/2024 19:50

wincarwoo · 10/09/2024 15:20

The women's network and pride network complained about my pro-women posts on the women's network teams chat and I asked me to remove them (they'd made someone feel "unsafe")

I refused and turned the whole thing round into a complaint about them and their ignorance of the Equality Act. Am awaiting a response.

Excellent work.

outdamnedspots · 10/09/2024 20:29

Feckedupbundle · 10/09/2024 18:32

When I read stuff like this,it makes me even more grateful for being self employed.

Just what I was thinking!!

EarthSight · 10/09/2024 21:25

Brainworm · 10/09/2024 07:56

Yes. In my organisation, the HR team set up and run 'ally groups' for race, disability and trans.

Each group meet every month to plan how they can be the best allies and promote wider allyship across the organisation. The focus has to be internal change (so no fund raising or promoting other 'support' organisations). Other than an initiative to have 100% of email signatures containing pronouns (which they will never achieve whilst I'm employed there), and emails about 'today is trans day of remembrance' etc, it's difficult to see what they achieve.

It strikes me as one of those DEI industry initiatives that has little impact beyond keeping DEI people in a role.

Lol. Many business have those.

About 70% of people in my workplace have pronouns either in their work email, their Teams / Zoom, their Linked In, or in some cases on all of them.

A document that was shared made it clear to us that to be an ally, you had to have pronouns in your emails and introductions. I aggressively ignored it. 😁

No one has asked me about it, and not even them ally group has ever introduced themselves with their pronouns, as far as I'm aware.

Crouton19 · 10/09/2024 21:54

You're allying wrong! Do what I do and respond to their silly blog posts with innocence and sincerity: "Gosh, I hadn't realised the trans suicide figures were as high as you mention! Can you send me the underlying study on this?" and "yes I totally agree the standard of trans healthcare is appalling and isn't it awful they are being used to line the pockets of rich doctors who haven't even checked to see if the treatments work long term" etc.

IwantToRetire · 10/09/2024 21:59

Crouton19 · 10/09/2024 21:54

You're allying wrong! Do what I do and respond to their silly blog posts with innocence and sincerity: "Gosh, I hadn't realised the trans suicide figures were as high as you mention! Can you send me the underlying study on this?" and "yes I totally agree the standard of trans healthcare is appalling and isn't it awful they are being used to line the pockets of rich doctors who haven't even checked to see if the treatments work long term" etc.

Smile
ahagwearsapointybonnet · 10/09/2024 22:11

biddyboo · 10/09/2024 16:21

Well done. We lost our women's network as it got rebranded to be more 'inclusive'. They claimed it was just a name change, but the focus was no longer on issues specific to women, and it seemed to become another version of the LGBT+ network. I left at that point.

Same here, ours got changed to a "gender" network - but we have now managed to get it changed again! Not back to a "women's" network, as they do now also cover things aimed at men, such as male mental health/suicide prevention, BUT it has been fairly clearly rebranded as a SEX-related issues/equality network, rather than "gender", which still seems a pretty big win!

PonyPatter44 · 10/09/2024 22:23

I volunteered to be the SLT lead for "gender", have quietly turned it into "sex & gender" and will be dropping the "& gender" bit in the next meeting. My female staff have enough problems without pretending the men's problems are also ours.

Catsmere · 10/09/2024 22:38

All this makes me rather glad I'll probably never get another job.

SinnerBoy · 11/09/2024 01:59

Unsafe is a word which makes me grit my teeth, these days. It used to mean that someone was in a position of danger, or a structure liable to collapse.

It seems to have metamorphosised into, "I WILL not abide opinions which don't agree with mine and I'll have a tantrum, if I do."

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2024 09:38

Same here, ours got changed to a "gender" network - but we have now managed to get it changed again! Not back to a "women's" network, as they do now also cover things aimed at men, such as male mental health/suicide prevention, BUT it has been fairly clearly rebranded as a SEX-related issues/equality network, rather than "gender", which still seems a pretty big win!

It does. Well done! 👏 impressed at all the challenges.

whatsagoodusername · 11/09/2024 09:52

PonyPatter44 · 10/09/2024 22:23

I volunteered to be the SLT lead for "gender", have quietly turned it into "sex & gender" and will be dropping the "& gender" bit in the next meeting. My female staff have enough problems without pretending the men's problems are also ours.

Excellent tactic.

TuneInThisTimeNextWeek · 12/09/2024 00:48

I unwittingly did something at work which my SJW boss thought would upset trans people and allies like herself… well, it DID upset her, and she had a full-on rabid rant in my face. I let her burn herself out, I wasn’t getting drawn in to arguing about it. The next time I saw her boss, I told him how inappropriately and aggressively she’d behaved. A week or so later he’d had a word and I got a full apology from her, and she backed off the subject entirely. I probably got called a terf behind my back, but I don’t care.

Catsmere · 12/09/2024 01:22

Well done @TuneInThisTimeNextWeek! I'd struggle to stay silent in the face of this bullshit. I've stopped going to an activity I enjoyed because someone there was always yapping about her "trans girlfriend" (the usual bedicked male fetishist) and buying lesbian flags for him. I knew I'd end up saying how grossly offensive that is, so I left.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 12/09/2024 16:05

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2024 16:28

The DEI backlash is well and truly happening though. Particularly in corporate areas.

When you start realising who is at the front of the queue in redundancy consultations over the next few years, it might focus minds a bit.

Yes. And not a coincidence that it started to go into retreat at the same time Russia invaded Ukraine and therefore inflation and interest rates started, and the CoL crisis hits.

Proves it's all a luxury belief in my view. When companies are genuinely worried about their profits and their workers are genuinely worried about making the mortgage payment this month, blue-haired Aiden's preferred pronouns suddenly seem not quite so important.

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