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viques · 09/09/2024 16:38

Stabbed her 60 times .An “interest” in indecent expose, preoccupation with sex,a negative attitude towards women and “entitlement “ towards sex.

Do parole boards not understand that predatory men really don’t change their ideas and views about women? That these are probably behaviours so deeply engrained in someone’s early experiences that they are impossible to change.

I feel so sorry for and grateful to Joanne’s mother, who despite the grief she has had to bear for so many years is still concerned for other woman’s safety.

Apparently many sexual offenders , I suppose Ling included since it was mentioned, have a fantasy that “coercion will lead to seduction” . Men might think so, women can probably tell a different story.

httpss://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4yv92zke9o

Blurry snap of the victim who is looking straight at the camera and smiling, showing very white teeth and a neat blond haircut.

Stamfordham killer Steven Ling feels shame at 'monstrous' crime

Joanne Tulip was murdered by Steven Ling in Stamfordham, Northumberland, in 1997.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4yv92zke9o

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StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 09/09/2024 16:45

Interesting piece about a member of parole boards.

Reading McKeon’s book, it’s sometimes hard to understand why those who continue to deny their crimes, and therefore never show remorse or take any steps to address their behaviour, are granted parole. One man had been convicted of abusing his daughter, including rape, over a period of seven years, since she was eight, but continued to deny it. Despite that, he was released, because it was felt he would comply with the conditions, which included not contacting his victim, having his internet use monitored and disclosing new relationships.

Our prison system is in crisis, with prisons overcrowded, inhumane conditions and demoralised staff. Nick Hardwick, former chief inspector of prisons and former head of the Parole Board, has said that instead of forging ahead with Conservative plans to build huge new jails, money should be put into crime prevention, such as education and mental health. What would McKeon like to see overhauled in the current system? He says there are many prison and probation staff “who really do try and make a difference. There just isn’t the resources in a lot of cases to do that.” Rehabilitation includes courses that could help people change, “and then they find there’s a two-year waiting list, by which time motivation is gone. If you want to overhaul the prison system, and if we believe in this premise of rehabilitation, you’ve got to resource it.”
When public finances are so stretched, is there the will for money to be spent on prisoners? “I think that’s one of the points of writing a book, to give people that insight,” says McKeon. …

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/sep/09/people-do-awful-things-the-parole-boards-rob-mckeon-on-life-among-murderers-rapists-and-career-criminals

I didn't see the TV series. I've just realised that I don't know how many women are on parole boards to offer that perspective on safety for the community.

‘People do awful things’: the Parole Board’s Rob McKeon on life among murderers, rapists and career criminals

McKeon has helped to decide the fate of more than 5,000 prisoners – including one who told him: ‘I quite like strangling people.’ He talks about the harder judgments

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/sep/09/people-do-awful-things-the-parole-boards-rob-mckeon-on-life-among-murderers-rapists-and-career-criminals

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2024 16:45

Psychologist A added: “I think the areas of risk that we do understand well in regards to attitude towards women, a desire for revenge and humiliation, the sex and rape fantasies … those factors combined with that extreme emotional reaction, linked to the triggers that we have discussed just now, give an explanation for that behaviour.”

www.hexham-courant.co.uk/news/24572549.joanne-tulip-murderer-steven-ling-released-parole-board/

So what's changed, that this person feels he can now be released and doesn't pose any danger to women that can't be "managed"?

ReadWithScepticism · 09/09/2024 16:47

I don't have a problem in principle with releasing people after they have served an appropriately long sentence. I just hope that the psychologists, the parole board and anyone responsible for following up with this man in the community are doing their jobs properly.

That is far from a certainty, in this era of the crippled state, especially with the probation service so gutted. But we don't lock people up and throw away the key.

GailBlancheViola · 09/09/2024 17:03

I just hope that the psychologists, the parole board and anyone responsible for following up with this man in the community are doing their jobs properly.

Hope well that is reassuring isn't it. And if they are don't do their jobs properly? Lessons will be learnt perhaps? Whilst another woman suffers a brutal fate and her family are left destroyed.

If the psychologists and members of the Parole Board were held personally responsible for their decisions I bet they would make damn sure it was more than a hope that this man (or indeed any other man with a propensity for VAWG) would not reoffend.

Precipice · 09/09/2024 17:10

Reading McKeon’s book, it’s sometimes hard to understand why those who continue to deny their crimes, and therefore never show remorse or take any steps to address their behaviour, are granted parole.

I don't think it's difficult to understand and I don't see how it could be otherwise. What about those who are innocent and maintain their innocence, but have been convicted? The legal test is 'beyond reasonable doubt', but it is not possible to set up a legal system in such a way that no false conviction can ever occur. There is always a risk that there may be someone falsely convicted. On this basis, we cannot ever mandate admission of the crime and remorse for it as necessary pre-requisites for release. Are those who were unjustly convicted and so suffered unjust imprisonment to be forced to suffer the further indignity of having to falsely confess to crimes they never committed?

We hope that false convictions are a tiny, tiny minority of convictions. But until we can be sure that there are none, not even 0.001 percent of cases, we should not support a need for admission to the crime as a requirement for parole.

viques · 09/09/2024 17:24

ReadWithScepticism · 09/09/2024 16:47

I don't have a problem in principle with releasing people after they have served an appropriately long sentence. I just hope that the psychologists, the parole board and anyone responsible for following up with this man in the community are doing their jobs properly.

That is far from a certainty, in this era of the crippled state, especially with the probation service so gutted. But we don't lock people up and throw away the key.

Not quite true. Sometimes we do lock people up and throw away the key. And I would suggest that someone so angry that they stabbed a woman 60 times is a pretty good candidate for key throwing. Try banging your fist 60 times on a table, then imagine holding a knife and pushing it into human flesh 60 times. That sort of sustained anger doesn’t go away.

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SinnerBoy · 09/09/2024 17:30

I am highly sceptical that his risk can be managed I'm the community. Of course he wants to get out and will have learned how to behave and what to say. It's not as if there is any doubt about his guilt.

How many of his type have we read of, being recalled to prison, after being paroled? In such cases, they should be kept in for good.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2024 17:34

He was quite young when he murdered his victim, so he's still very much able to be a threat to women and girls now.

GailBlancheViola · 09/09/2024 17:35

I am highly sceptical that his risk can be managed I'm the community. Of course he wants to get out and will have learned how to behave and what to say. It's not as if there is any doubt about his guilt.

Same here. I know people who work across the criminal justice system including in prisons and probation and the one thing they all say is that the criminals do the courses just so they can tick the boxes, learn the right things to say and how to behave. They don't mean any of it.

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