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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What brought you here?

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CyclingSam · 09/09/2024 15:32

I have Rachel McKinnon to thank, with a strong assist by Magdalen Berns.

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NorthernBogbean · 19/04/2025 15:15

Apologies for the length of this, you don't have to read it.

I became aware of 'Trans' as a thought experiment in 1990s academia. The period when postmodern culture, 'queer theory' as a branch of 'identity theory' and multiple -isms began to dominate my subject-area and - at varying speeds - all the others. At the time, it was just so much academic noodling, destined, I assumed, to stay on the academic holodeck and so just more interesting strands of conversation.

At the time, a respected female academic wrote a small medical sciences paper in which the notion of 'trans-sexuality' was compassionately cited as a kind of sex/gender cognitive dissonance and problem of embodiment. I used to use it in teaching. By about 2014, I realised I couldn't use it for political reasons. Over the next four years, I dropped most of the 'gender' topics in my teaching - it had become an 'eyeroll' topic, and a switch-off for male students who found it uncomfortable (a.k.a 'boring') and female students who were so often influenced by cool boys.

Anyone who thinks that's my failure should contemplate the huge pressure to satisfy student-customers on bulk undergrad courses which was rising in UK universities. In my HEI, courses were reviewed at the end of the academic year, and any which didn't achieve a high enough popularity rating were replaced.

It's also the case that too many 'feminist' academics writing about gender more or less abandoned empiricism from the '90s on, preferring a self-referential trail of citations of 'culture' and 'theory' and 'progressive' politics. And all the earlier feminist analysis written about language and gender was drowned in postmodern, intersectional soup when Trans NewSpeak came into universities.

I realised the heat was being turned up when I was screamed at by a mature 'neuro-divergent' male student at the beginning of hashtag no debate when I prevented him from shouting at an 18-year-old girl who had said, innocently, that transwomen were 'not biologically women'. The aftermath of that taught me that management would not support me in any crisis caused by 'Trans Issues'.

The first time I realised theory had become practice and was lurching down to the village was when a social work friend told me she'd had an 'awareness training' session from a transwoman who had cited all the poorly-researched 'stats' about murdered transwomen and told them that if they failed to treat him/her in all aspects as a woman, they were acting illegally and s/he would be able to prosecute them. This was around 2016 and I was hearing about the self-certification proposals re GRA for the first time so was already looking for discussion on the net so would have found MN somewhere at that point.

There's a paper to be written on The Hayley Cropper Effect because I suspect this popular representation of a nice, quiet, post-surgical transwoman was in the minds of the over 30s when the GRA then self-cert was in play and when TRAs began to be more active. I remember the campaign about Hayley getting her birth certificate changed, very sympathetic - and why not? A damaged, dysphoric Harold, part of a tiny demographic, who just wanted to live peacefully - and you were never really reminded of Harold since nice Hayley was played by a woman.

TWETMIRF · 19/04/2025 15:48

Yes, Hayley was a very good thing for the TRAs as that's who many people think of when transwomen are talked about. The reality is more Bernard Manning in attitude towards women

Gawjus · 20/04/2025 01:36

I was going about my life, blissfully unaware that there was any problem in this area. I had in my life occasionally come across a genuine transsexual who had had the operation and living their life quietly and without drawing any attention to themselves or making any demands, just quietly trying to pass in the ladies toilets etc. Then a woman who I just happened to be friends with on Facebook was assaulted by someone. That caught my eye and made me read the newspapers and also her Facebook feed. That woman was Maria MacLachlan.

Through her story I found out what had been going on and instantly became a terf. I have been campaigning ever since.

RethinkingLife · 20/04/2025 09:28

nauticant · 09/09/2024 18:12

I think this might be the earliest surviving Spartacus thread on here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/2716595-TransAgenda-BullShit-The-I-am-Spartacus-Thread

Edited

Reading through all those completely sane and on point declarations that have been affirmed by the SC - I feel quite emotional.

Here since before separate subfora existed and you had to keep tracking down the thread.

Heylo · 20/04/2025 16:25

Gawjus · 20/04/2025 01:36

I was going about my life, blissfully unaware that there was any problem in this area. I had in my life occasionally come across a genuine transsexual who had had the operation and living their life quietly and without drawing any attention to themselves or making any demands, just quietly trying to pass in the ladies toilets etc. Then a woman who I just happened to be friends with on Facebook was assaulted by someone. That caught my eye and made me read the newspapers and also her Facebook feed. That woman was Maria MacLachlan.

Through her story I found out what had been going on and instantly became a terf. I have been campaigning ever since.

That’s a brilliant peaking story ♥️
the guy who hit Maria - he genuinely thought he’d get away with it. The way he walked into court was like wtf to I have to be here

Heylo · 20/04/2025 16:27

CyclingSam · 09/09/2024 15:32

I have Rachel McKinnon to thank, with a strong assist by Magdalen Berns.

One of my friends friends came to my house with her and told me I was transphobic for not wanting to date a tw. (Im a lesbian). She told me that they ‘use their penis in a completely different way to ‘CIS’ men). After that I broke ranks, bought Kathleen stocks book and desperately looked spend for GC and women. Took me 3 months but eventually found some.

Lovelyview · 20/04/2025 16:34

Heylo · 20/04/2025 16:27

One of my friends friends came to my house with her and told me I was transphobic for not wanting to date a tw. (Im a lesbian). She told me that they ‘use their penis in a completely different way to ‘CIS’ men). After that I broke ranks, bought Kathleen stocks book and desperately looked spend for GC and women. Took me 3 months but eventually found some.

That's appalling. I can't believe there is anyone dumb enough to believe these abusive men.

TWETMIRF · 20/04/2025 16:37

Heylo · 20/04/2025 16:27

One of my friends friends came to my house with her and told me I was transphobic for not wanting to date a tw. (Im a lesbian). She told me that they ‘use their penis in a completely different way to ‘CIS’ men). After that I broke ranks, bought Kathleen stocks book and desperately looked spend for GC and women. Took me 3 months but eventually found some.

I agree that they use their penis differently. Transwomen like to get it out in women's spaces and film themselves having a wank. Even better if there are actual women and girls present

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 20/04/2025 16:55

I remember Maria MacLachlan, she was the start of my peaking.

It was the Lib Dem Jo Swift who finalised it in 2019, when she thought shouting 'TWAW!' would make her prime minister.

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