Police Scotland and the lady rapists' pronouns

[ArabellaScott]

https://archive.ph/LQCXD

MBM policy submitted a petition in 2021 on the rights of rapists or alleged rapists to 'self identify' as women. MSPs have been discussing for three years.

'Campaigners have criticised Police <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/LQCXD/www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Scotland after the force told MSPs that allowing individuals charged or convicted of rape or attempted rape to "self-declare" their sex fosters "a strong sense of belonging".
The comment in a letter to Holyrood’s Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee was described as “deeply offensive".'

“Police Scotland requires no evidence or certification as proof of biological sex or gender identity other than a person's self-declaration, unless it is pertinent to any investigation with which they are linked as a victim, witness or accused and it is evidentially critical that we legally require this proof, or there is reason for further enquiry based on risk.”

'A spokeswoman for For Women Scotland said: “We thought we were beyond being shocked and dismayed by the treatment of rape victims in the Scottish judicial system, but we never expected that Police Scotland would rate a rapist's ‘strong sense of belonging’ above the law as set out in the Court of Session's ruling last year, and above the impact of such a grotesque lie on women who have already suffered so much at the hands of an abuser.
“This is a gross insult to all women who are being told, without irony, that some of the most violent men in society want to ‘belong’ to the sex class they target and that we have to accommodate them at any cost and affirm their delusions.'

Good grief. Why is it that so many police forces feel so comfortable in openly exposing their contempt for women?

It's beyond parody. 🤬

I've been wondering this. My only conclusion is that police forces are so misogynistic that they'd rather believe/pander to men pretending to be women than work to protect actual women. I honestly can't think of any other explanation.

Police are totally captured - it’s full of women hating men who collude to protect their own. See Wayne Cousens!

"Police Scotland requires no evidence or certification as proof of biological sex or gender identity other than a person's self-declaration, unless it is pertinent to any investigation with which they are linked as a victim, witness or accused and it is evidentially critical that we legally require this proof, or there is reason for further enquiry based on risk.”

Unless it is 'pertinent' to any investigation? Well, I'd presume for cases of sexual assault it would be paramount.

And also "based on risk" - surely the risk profile for sexual offences is, once again, totally relevant to natal sex.

FFS.

On another thread there's a discussion about the strategic use of self-ID by men who would otherwise be charged with gender violence but, after the self-ID can only be tried for the lesser charge of domestic violence.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5159365-basque-trans-policeman-attacks-wife-gender-identity-change-a-premeditated-way-of-avoiding-gender-violence-charges

The trajectory of all this seems to be one way, and it's a way that creates multiple disadvantages for women. I can see people arguing that the defendant is presumed innocent and has a right to put forward a defence of their choice but I wonder how much longer it will be until this strategy is used to reduce charges, to confuse juries etc.

Especially with all of the misinformation about women being able to fend off assault, the lack of understanding about self-ID being sufficient without any other changes etc. I haven't expressed this well but I must admit to feeling rather low about everything that is happening to women both here and elsewhere in the world.

What other issue enables the police to absolutely full on indulge in their deeply held misogynistic women hating views whilst simultaneously positioning themselves as the ‘good guys’ standing up for diversity. None.

It is a coalition of men in positions of power that have found the one single issue that allows them to tell women to STFU and miraculously be on the right side of history. They probably can’t believe their good luck that almost the entire medical community fell into line with the insanity of sterilising children and erasing women’s safeguards.

Reported in the Telegraph too

https://archive.ph/108CM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/08/police-scotland-rapists-identify-women-holyrood/

I actually can't disagree that it's 'consistent with their values'. I don't have much regard though for what those values are and what it says about the Police that they find common cause with rapists.

In the Times today too. "Sense of belonging"? Belonging to what?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/ec2aff27-5e82-468f-8365-e7f0a6526d27?shareToken=01bb2b1ac47b2d363d312c23e331099e

Police Scotland are not fit for purpose.
Another centralised disaster overseen by the SNP.

Society, I assume. Because we must uphold rapists' wellbeing and identity over that of rape victims'.

I've just seen this thread. Omg Scotland!!! I despair of my country. Every week something else reminds me of how bad the government is and how far they have fallen and how much they have negatively impacted on public services. The police have always been misogynistic so it does not surprise me that they've embraced all the government guidance with gusto.

There is, and should be in law, no "right" for men to LARP as women. It's a massive red flag for sexual predation. Crossdressing is a paraphilia long recognised as a predictor of sexual violence. It says everything about the institutions - police, governments, any of them - that support this.

Get a load of this; somebody who works in prison reform told me of a convicted rapist who decided to identify as a woman. So he's taken to the warden and he's this huge, hulking, scary looking guy. He stares balefully at the warden and intones in a basso profundo voice; "I'm a woman. Put me in a women's prison. That's my right!"

Which country/state would that be?

Canada aka trans paradise.

Tranada, no surprise there. Did they acquiesce to the male brute's demands?

I feel like I need to put in a good word for my local police, here, who have in several instances of abuse/harassment, been utterly supportive, helpful, and understanding of women and girls. It's been a pleasant surprise. All the women/girls have been taken seriously, listened to, and actions taken to pursue the alleged abusers, including supporting women through the legal system.

I get the feeling that a lot of the problems come from people higher up, rather than the bobbies on the beat.