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Knee pain in growing girls - a physio masterclass

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ArabellaScott · 06/09/2024 15:46

Thought this might be of interest! I hadn't before appreciated how much hormones (and sex) would impact on ligaments, joints, etc.

'This Masterclass will be presented by Claire Callaghan, Chartered Physiotherapist. Claire specialises in female physical health and sports performance. She brings over 25 years of experience, and will present credible, straightforward and practical information you can trust.

Pain at the front of the knee is common in active, growing adolescents. The old fashioned advice was to wait to 'grow out of it.' We now know we can help reduce pain and help keep kids active and happy.

The session will cover

  • What we know about adolescent knee pain, especially at the front of the knee
  • Osgood Schlatters, Sinding-Larsen-Johansson Syndrome and other possibilities
  • Why it's different for girls - unique considerations and solutions
  • Which exercises help
  • How to self treat
  • What taping techniques are best and why
  • What not to do
  • 5 quick wins for knee pain in growing girls
  • Q and A'

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/knee-pain-in-growing-girls-what-you-need-to-know-tickets-795236312217

Claire Callaghan

Health, wellbeing and performance expert for women. Claire Callaghan is a Chartered Physiotherapist with 25 years of experience specialising in Sport, Exercise and Women's Health. She supports women through speaking events, masterclasses, written piec...

https://www.clairecallaghan.com/

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UtopiaPlanitia · 06/09/2024 16:02

Wow, that’s fascinating and very helpful advice. I experienced a lot of knee and shin pain as an adolescent and I would have loved access to information and advice like this. In fact, with my dodgy perimenopausal knees in the present I’d love access to a resource like this.

When I was a teenager, with my parents being Irish culchies and me being a girl rather than a boy, my parents took me to see someone with ‘the cure’ of knee pain rather than to see our GP 🙄 Feck all help it was.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/magical-mystery-cures-1.1573266

You find the most interesting links @ArabellaScott, thanks for posting it 👍

Magical mystery cures

Hundreds of faith healers harness mysterious powers to cure all sorts of illnesses

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/magical-mystery-cures-1.1573266

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2024 16:12

Ooh, I quite fancy a magical mystery cure.

Sorry you didn't get proper help, Utopia.

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handmademitlove · 06/09/2024 16:15

I have two children with hypermobility - one boy, one girl. Knee pain for both. We were blessed with medical staff who were clear that boys would suffer less as they got older due to the influence of testosterone in strengthening soft tissue. Girls would suffer more due to multiple influences, including relaxin during pregnancy.

Very different approaches to managing effectively the same condition due to very real sex differences!

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ArabellaScott · 06/09/2024 16:22

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1063458414011534

'Women are at greater risk for developing knee osteoarthritis (OA)1, 2 compared with men, particularly those over 50 years of age2.

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RethinkingLife · 06/09/2024 16:26

It's enormously important. Hormones, cycles affect ligaments and elite female athletes' vulnerability to injury at particular points in the menstrual cycle.

Football players in England’s top-tier WSL were six times more likely to experience a muscle injury in the days leading up to their period compared to when they were on their period, according to new research from UCL, the University of Bath and St. Mary’s University.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/may/female-athletes-more-likely-get-injured-certain-points-their-menstrual-cycle

The same is true for non-elite athletes and those of us engaged in day to day or recreational activities. It's associated with simple measures such as advising some women to be extra cautious climbing out of showers and even waiting to dry (in a robe) rather than run the risk of straining a ligament towelling yourself down vigorously.

Hormone differences influence women's experience of Ehlers-Danlos, Connective Tissue Disease etc. Auto-immune conditions like rheumatoid or psoriatic arthritis can be extra difficult depending on what's happening in the cycle and the systemic impact of both can affect the heart, lungs, digestive system etc.

Female athletes more likely to get injured at certain points in their menstrual cycle

Football players in England’s top-tier WSL were six times more likely to experience a muscle injury in the days leading up to their period compared to when they were on their period, according to new research from UCL, the University of Bath and St. Ma...

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/may/female-athletes-more-likely-get-injured-certain-points-their-menstrual-cycle

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/09/2024 17:09

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2024 16:12

Ooh, I quite fancy a magical mystery cure.

Sorry you didn't get proper help, Utopia.

It is all very mysterious but, as a child/teenager I was taken to see people with ‘cures’ for whooping cough, measles, knee pain, tooth pain, ear pain, and headaches, and I can categorically state that none of them worked. Faith healers are a long-standing part of Irish culture but I think it’s a tradition that I would happily see die off because it stops people from seeking proper medical care.

As for female knee pain, my GP has mentioned that the hormones released before menstruation include relaxin and that can cause joint pain and issues. And, lately, it’s almost like clockwork that I have joint/knee pain after ovulation. The female body is a wonderful thing but sometimes, when my knees are really sore/clicky, I feel that my body is a little too stubbornly focussed on reproduction-related stuff that isn’t relevant for me at my age 😏🤦‍♀️

Birdsaremyfriends · 06/09/2024 17:12

My son has Osgood-Schlatters. I had no idea that it manifested differently in boys and girls. Our doctor said that boys were more likely to get it but I am not sure that is true!

handmademitlove · 06/09/2024 17:15

@Birdsaremyfriends statistically boys are diagnosed with it more often than girls. Whether that is because boys are encouraged to run about more and it is more prevalent in those who exercise more, or because boys pain is taken more seriously than girls pain i don't know!

largeprintagathachristie · 06/09/2024 17:21

I had Osgood-Schlatters as a young teen - it turned out - but my mother didn’t believe that anything was wrong, wouldn’t let me see a doctor for ages and made me continue to do my competitive sport on it (she was very invested in the social side of the sport).

In my fifties now and that knee absolutely aches.

Outwiththenorm · 06/09/2024 17:31

This is a total revelation to me, having suffered excruciating back pain in my teens and knee pain in my 20s - the sort of thing where I couldn’t walk after sitting down in a cinema for a few hours. No doctor ever mentioned hormones to me. Interestingly it all cleared up in my 30s, when I also stopped taking the pill 🤔

RethinkingLife · 14/09/2024 15:30

Decent piece about ACL injuries in Lionesses et al:

It was 8 September 2019. Hincks, then 30, was a striker for Crystal Palace. She had scored more than 25 goals since she had arrived from Millwall Lionesses the year before and had been named player of the season. But now what she dreaded most had happened: she had torn her anterior cruciate ligament (ACL).

For complex, long-misunderstood reasons, women suffer this injury far more often than men. It upended the Women’s World Cup last year when two of England’s star players, Leah Williamson and Beth Mead, were out with torn ACLs. England weren’t alone. Research by aclwfc, the fan-led resource on ACL injuries, showed that 25-30 players globally missed the tournament, including Ballon d’Or winner Vivianne Miedema. At the start of this season – the Women’s Super League (WSL) returns next weekend – the ACL injury list includes Australia and Chelsea striker Sam Kerr; USA and Chelsea striker Mia Fishel; Arsenal midfielder Victoria Pelova; Scotland forward Fiona Brown (for a fourth time); and AC Milan and Scotland midfielder Christy Grimshaw.
Players know what it means: their career is at stake.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/sep/14/female-footballers-career-ending-injuries

‘Everyone says they hear a pop or a crack’: why are so many female footballers suffering career-ending knee injuries?

In the wake of the Lionesses’ success, knee injuries are at epidemic levels in the women’s game. From boots designed for men to unequal training regimes, how much are sexist double standards to blame?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/sep/14/female-footballers-career-ending-injuries

ArabellaScott · 14/09/2024 17:42

Er, pops and cracks are bad, are they? Not sure I want to open that article amd find out.

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handmademitlove · 14/09/2024 19:17

I think general pops and cracks are okay, a sudden pop or crack followed by lots of pain is bad.....

ArabellaScott · 14/09/2024 19:31

That's a relief! Thanks, I'm now safe to read ...

' Female footballers were twice as likely to have a “contact” ACL injury – where a player gets kicked, say, or tackled – than male footballers, and three times more likely to suffer a non-contact ACL injury. This is where players suddenly collapse on the pitch, as Hincks did. The injury rate has remained unchanged; what has changed* *is the number of women on the pitch. “We have more women playing, hence more ACL injuries,”

Follows discussion on whether hormones affect injury likelihood (with the suggestion that research is inconclusive), and ...

'Researching for her PhD in men’s football boots, she found most for men and* *women are based on the feet of a generic white male, UK size eight. “That’s manufacturers’ test model and they simply scale up or down,” she says. The presumption is that what’s male is universal; it fits all. But ... Men are heavier than women and interact with the ground differently. They need studs with more grip to keep them from slipping. “Women are lighter, we don’t run as fast and don’t have the same muscle mass to push off, so we need less traction,” she says. In other words, women are at greater risk of their studs sticking in the ground, and in the context of ACL injuries, this can be disastrous. '

'...research showed that women have a wider forefoot, relative to length, a higher arch and a heel shape different from that of men. She discovered that 82% of the players had daily pain or discomfort.'

And training.

Survey finds 82% of female players experience pain wearing football boots

A European Club Association study has uncovered ‘staggering’ figures, with a fifth of players surveyed having to customise their boots to improve comfort

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jun/27/female-players-pain-wearing-football-boots-european-club-association-study

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Enoughwiththisshit · 14/09/2024 23:45

Brilliant - thanks so much for the link, @ArabellaScott. DD sees a physio for Osgood Schlatter's and has suffered from it for about 4 years now. It's been quite debilitating at times.

KnickerlessParsons · 15/09/2024 00:12

My sister had Osgood Schlatters back on the 70s when she was a teenager. She had an op and had her leg in plaster for quite a while too

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