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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cervical cancer screening advice for gypsies and travellers

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RoyalCorgi · 23/08/2024 08:37

This is fascinating. A very short leaflet with advice on cervical cancer screening.

https://www.gypsy-traveller.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Cervical-Cancer-Leaflet.pdf

Absolutely nothing to say who the leaflet is aimed at, apart from the need to be aged over 25.

https://www.gypsy-traveller.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Cervical-Cancer-Leaflet.pdf

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Kendodd · 23/08/2024 11:16

AnnaFrith · 23/08/2024 11:06

I don't think the issue anyone has with the leaflet is that it 'offends' us, it is that we're worried it WON'T work, because

  1. it doesn't contain any useful information and
  2. by waffling about mysterious symptoms it could easily give the impression that screening isn't that important if you don't have symptoms.

Q. Do any of the posters on here really have no clue what this leaflet is about and what sex it's aimed at?

gardenmusic · 23/08/2024 11:18

And learning to keep a caravan sparkling clean is not an education.

... and they would say that you watch too much television.

Fathercrispness · 23/08/2024 11:19

AnnaFrith · 23/08/2024 10:53

If they all went to school until they were 16 and received proper sex education they wouldn't have poor literacy or think that some words were 'taboo'.

Gypsy and traveller girls should have the same right to education as everyone else in this country.

Nobody here is disputing that, but the fact that remains is that many still don’t receive the education. Should these young women just be left with no attempt to encourage them to do something that may save their life?

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 11:20

It is a leaflet, presumably handed out at women-centred events. I know nothing about the traveller and Roma communities but I do know a bit about health communication strategies. All communications have situational features that shape how they are received by their target audience. In this case, the fact that it is a leaflet and a written text will shape what kind of content it contains. I would imagine there are also additional details that are passed on verbally among women in settings where they can be confident the information will not reach men.

NotBadConsidering · 23/08/2024 11:23

Kendodd · 23/08/2024 11:16

Q. Do any of the posters on here really have no clue what this leaflet is about and what sex it's aimed at?

I have figured it out because the hyperlink has the words cervical cancer in it. And on the bottom of one page it says “cervical screening”.

So if this is a poster on a wall, and there is no hyperlink to read, and if you’re one of the many people who don’t know what the word cervical means, it could be about hundreds of possible diseases.

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 11:25

it is not a poster on a wall, as the link makes clear. It is a leaflet. Leaflets can be handed out to women individually with a verbal explanation that leaves no trace that a taboo has been broken. There is also a flashcode that can be consulted privately.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 23/08/2024 11:26

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 11:14

Well, it has been produced by health communication specialists in conjunction with community representatives, so presumably it works on their terms.

Female community representatives?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/08/2024 11:27

There may well be sensitivities that mean it's not possible or advisable to be too explicit. But as an absolute minimum it needs to be clear that: this is for women; you should go to the regular screening even if you feel healthy; you need to get an urgent check if you have symptoms between the routine intervals.

It can be much clearer on all those points without stepping on any taboos.

And I don't see how the argument of 'it's clear because it uses gynecological pictures' holds up if this is aimed at girls likely to be taken out of school - or if in school, taken out of sex ed. Will they recognise a diagram of a uterus?

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 11:28

I don't know, it doesn't say, but I would imagine so.

ditalini · 23/08/2024 11:28

AnnaFrith · 23/08/2024 11:02

They shouldn't be allowed to take the girls out of school.
They should face the same penalties for not ensuring their children receive an education as anyone else.
And learning to keep a caravan sparkling clean is not an education.

They do face the same penalties, and yet the rate of children not in school in these communities is very high.

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 11:29

I am not talking about the picture of a uterus primarily, but the fact that it's two women, doctor and patient, in a healthcare setting.

gardenmusic · 23/08/2024 11:31

Q. Do any of the posters on here really have no clue what this leaflet is about and what sex it's aimed at?

It's clearly aimed at women, but to me it looks as if you have to wait for a problem, then see a doctor.
Gilead is a pharmaceutical company.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/08/2024 11:34

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 11:29

I am not talking about the picture of a uterus primarily, but the fact that it's two women, doctor and patient, in a healthcare setting.

You may not have been, but PP specifically said gynecological drawings.

Which is a stretch, really, I understood them as such from the context but they are such rough sketches they could equally be read as a dog's face and a tree.

gardenmusic · 23/08/2024 11:39

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · Today 11:26
HumanBurrito · Today 11:14
Well, it has been produced by health communication specialists in conjunction with community representatives, so presumably it works on their terms.
Female community representatives?

Not if it was a man from Gilead. It's Mochardi.

NotBadConsidering · 23/08/2024 11:49

This is where scanning the QR code takes you, to a YouTube video. This is lot more useful but it still lacks a bit it seems. It’s a video about getting screened for cervical cancer that doesn’t mention the words cervix, cervical, or cancer! And the only “importance of screening” is to make sure it doesn’t happen when you’re pregnant. Nothing about finding cancer.

It would seem the only use of the leaflet is to verbally encourage people to scan the QR code and watch this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RA0kDC-9IBU

It’s nice that people are genuinely trying to engage but I find it baffling. All the traveller people I knew growing up were very straight talking and didn’t beat around the bush (pardon the pun) so I’m not sure why proper words can’t be used.

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 23/08/2024 11:50

Kendodd · 23/08/2024 11:03

Also, the bottom line is if the leaflet works and more women attend screenings because of it. If it works, frankly I don't care how many of you lot it offends.

I can't see anyone is offended? Unless your definition includes serious concern for a demographic of women who due to their culture have low literacy levels and knowledge of a disease which can present and progress quickly and could kill them. Because communication to encourage them to attend potentially life saving screening is vague to the point of useless?

I get culture and identity is important but the rights of women to access health screening in a timely fashion is more important.

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 12:27

The whole point is that a document like this will have been specifically tailored with community input to increase screening uptake. It doesn't matter i it doesn't speak to you, it wasn't designed with mainstream communicative needs in mind.

RoyalCorgi · 23/08/2024 12:33

I understand the need to tailor certain health communication towards particular groups. What I'm pointing out is that if words like woman, cervix, vagina, uterus, period, speculum and cancer are all so taboo that they can't be used in a health education leaflet, then there is literally no point in creating a leaflet aimed at encouraging women to go for cervical screening because it will be incomprehensible.

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Hoardasurass · 23/08/2024 12:35

Kendodd · 23/08/2024 11:16

Q. Do any of the posters on here really have no clue what this leaflet is about and what sex it's aimed at?

Considering that only 40% of women knows what a cervix is or if they have 1 the odds are most of the women that it's sim at won't which is the problem

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 12:41

@RoyalCorgi ronly ifyou assume this is the only channel of communication. The fact that it is a leaflet (small, personal, portable, even hideable) suggests it may well designed to be used in conjunction with verbal messaging.

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 12:51

For instance you could hand these out at a Traveller mother and baby group, give them more explanations verbally when you are sure there are no men present and hand these out so they have the basic details as a memo with the contact details in a format they can easily tuck away discreetly.

RoyalCorgi · 23/08/2024 12:58

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 12:41

@RoyalCorgi ronly ifyou assume this is the only channel of communication. The fact that it is a leaflet (small, personal, portable, even hideable) suggests it may well designed to be used in conjunction with verbal messaging.

That's possible, of course. Though even allowing for that it still lacks clarity, because it conflates two separate things - the need to seek help from the GP if you have certain symptoms, and the need to have regular screening. (I note it doesn't even mention that screening is usually every three years.)

I think in time cervical screening will become less and less important, and may be dropped by the NHS altogether, because the HPV vaccine means far fewer women will develop cervical cancer, and the NHS may at some point introduce smear tests that the woman can do at home. I would guess, however, that Romany girls are less likely to have the HPV vaccine, so the screening message is all the more important for them.

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outdamnedspots · 23/08/2024 13:04

Hoardasurass · 23/08/2024 08:54

It would be helpful if they mentioned what type of bleeding was to be monitored, or from what part of your body instead of just saying bleeding ffs

Yes. A totally pointless leaflet. Raises more questions than it answers.

ArabellaScott · 23/08/2024 13:05

All good points, Corgi.

Clear and effective health messaging is important. Those who suggest women should never question or criticise health messaging are coming from a very strange place, indeed.

HumanBurrito · 23/08/2024 13:10

No-one has suggested health messaging should never be critiqued. Several people have suggested that it is important to take the situational features designed for a specific audience into account when critiquing health messaging.

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