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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

‘Man given 3 months suspended sentence for removing condom during sex’

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Cailleach1 · 22/08/2024 14:44

A man was tried by the lower court in the Netherlands last year for rape. He was alleged to have removed a condom during sex - this is known as ‘Stealthing’.

“The case was tried as rape because, the public prosecution department said, in removing the condom the man had subjected his bed partner to a form of sex she had not consented to.” The man received a 3 months suspended sentence.

“On Thursday, the appeal court in The Hague said it “it could not be proven that the accused secretly removed the condom during the voluntary vaginal sex and acquitted the accused on this basis.”

“The couple had met on line and the woman had said she had only consented to sex with a condom. But this too, the court said, could not be proved, and Whatsapp messages between the two did not provide sufficient evidence.
The court did not rule on the question of whether stealthing can be qualified as rape or coercion within the Dutch penal code.”

www.dutchnews.nl/2024/08/man-not-guilty-of-rape-for-removing-condom-during-sex/

I’m not quite sure what I think about this. It almost seems as if they are saying it can never be a crime, as it can’t really be proven. No witnesses usually to coitus, so if a woman says a man secretely removed his condom, then they say that can not be proven. The woman said she had only agreed to sex with a condom. They say that cannot be proven, even though she is stating this to be so. No recognition of ‘stealthing’ in Dutch law.

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Cailleach1 · 22/08/2024 14:47

Title is wrong now though. He has been acquitted.

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Cambiarenome · 22/08/2024 17:28

I don't see how this can ever be proved unless there is some written agreement.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 22/08/2024 17:44

“I don't see how this can ever be proved unless there is some written agreement.”

Couldn’t the same be said of rape?

In the UK “stealthing” might be considered as sexual assault I suppose but it wouldn’t fit the definition of rape I don’t think. IANAL.

I am very disappointed to read that he was acquitted.

Agreeing to vaginal penetration with a condom is saying yes as long as I am protected from pregnancy and STIs. That is the agreement, he broke the agreement and exposed her to significant risk which could have serious consequences for her.

NPET · 22/08/2024 17:44

Much tho I wish that men doing such things were locked away, I guess there's no way of proving anything. So it's back to the rule of men getting away with anything and everything.

TorghunKhan · 22/08/2024 18:09

from experience, condoms DO come off, not sure how you'd be able to prove this at the extent needed to prosecute someone.

hatboxes · 22/08/2024 18:11

Stealthing is rape in UK law. IANAL either but there have been a handful of prosecutions here. In one case text messages afterwards where the perpetrator admitted it, were used as evidence.

(first post. Hello. Been lurking awhile)

Cambiarenome · 22/08/2024 19:02

Couldn’t the same be said of rape?
Of course, which is partly why rape convictions are so low.

TWETMIRF · 22/08/2024 19:13

Welcome hatboxes

RufustheFactualReindeer · 22/08/2024 19:14

Yeah hatboxes is right, it’s considered rape but is incredibly hard to prove

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