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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Concerns about adult gender clinics

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mzdemeanour · 07/08/2024 22:29

Hannah Barnes has posted on X detailing concerns about adult gender clinics.

x.com/hannahsbee/status/1821291192379937105

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changedusernameforthis1 · 07/08/2024 23:40

Transman here (bio female) who can back quite a bit of this up.
I contacted a gender clinic and was given a video consultation a week later. The call lasted less than an hour, and within 5 days I had my testosterone delivered to my door.

It seemed that as long as I could pay, I received quite quickly. It was a huge relief for me as I'd been waiting for years for NHS treatment, however the more I really thought about it and looked into it, the more I realised that literally anyone could get this, whether they'd spent years upon years realising they're genuinely transgender, or if they were 18 and felt like the opposite sex that week.

There needs to be so much more safeguarding involved for this. I don't regret my transition, but there are so, so many who do and it's incredibly worrying how easily accessible they make it.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 08/08/2024 00:19

I don't think this is remotely surprising. And whilst I appreciate hearing about positive outcomes, as above, for these patients, I just don't believe the majority will be happy with these radical body modifications in 10/20/30 years.

Perhaps it might very been a different story before it became fashionable and heavily promoted but we are looking at the tip of the iceberg in terms of a medical scandal.

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2024 00:39

There's a couple of points in there in particular that make me raise an eyebrow:

“Suicides of patients on treatment were not formally discussed," & lessons not learned.

Transition is all about stopping suicides apparently. So where there have been some, no one has thought 'how can we improve care and stop this repeating'. As long as they are getting care that's everything. Doesn't matter if it's shockingly poor standards of care, or inappropriate care, just as long as they are affirmed and medicalised.

Cass told. In one clinic “regret was treated as a new episode of dysphoria.”

So regret and detransition wasn't in the radar at the same time as the effects of drugs apparently being 'fully reversible'. How can you reverse if it's not acknowledged as a possible outcome?!

“There was a philosophy “that it was up to patients to make their own mistakes."

That's completely devoid of medical liability as a hcp. You can't just abdicate that responsibility legally. If they have been acting in this way it opens up a whole can of worms about possible litigation.

Workloads were described as “unmanageable”, with some holding responsibility for “many risky patients”, and leaving the service as a result. “Medical practitioners who left... described doing so because they were worried that they could not defend their clinical practice.”

What's a 'risky patient '? Is that a reference to unstable mental health? And in what way? Or are they actively dangerous? Or do they threaten staff or make unreasonable demands? What does this section even mean!

Much to unpick on this.

LittleTalkingMan · 08/08/2024 02:00

There is a YouTuber called Ezra Butler who has had ED and body dysphoria for years who was allowed to have testosterone far too easily with a private prescription from gender Gp and a very short while later has had top surgery. It is terrifying how quickly it all happened!

ChaChaChooey · 08/08/2024 04:43

changedusernameforthis1 · 07/08/2024 23:40

Transman here (bio female) who can back quite a bit of this up.
I contacted a gender clinic and was given a video consultation a week later. The call lasted less than an hour, and within 5 days I had my testosterone delivered to my door.

It seemed that as long as I could pay, I received quite quickly. It was a huge relief for me as I'd been waiting for years for NHS treatment, however the more I really thought about it and looked into it, the more I realised that literally anyone could get this, whether they'd spent years upon years realising they're genuinely transgender, or if they were 18 and felt like the opposite sex that week.

There needs to be so much more safeguarding involved for this. I don't regret my transition, but there are so, so many who do and it's incredibly worrying how easily accessible they make it.

If you are still with GenderGP now please keep on top of your routine blood tests and check against published acceptable ranges yourself because I have read lots of first person accounts re: transmen developing dangerous levels of polycythemia due to GenderGP not being interested in anything much beyond their patient’s regular direct debit payments.

(apologies if you already know this but still worth posting in case it’s useful to a lurker!)

Crouton19 · 08/08/2024 08:12

Very pleased to see that the review of adult gender services will start next month. Hopefully it won't take another 4 years!

@changedusernameforthis1 yes that is the risk- the lackadaisical approach to prescribing makes it totally pot luck as to whether the treatment (which carries its own harms and risks as we all know) is correct for that particular person or if they would have done just as well, if not better, with therapeutic treatment.

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