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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
IwantToRetire · 06/08/2024 01:05

Well wouldn't expect the Guardian to raise the obvious question, or even basic reporting ie checking facts. How does the number compare to recent years?

And assuming it is an increase, where are all these trained medical staff can to suddenly appear from?

Our other areas of health going to lose staff so that this service can be prioritiese.

Added to which as one of the criticisms of Tavistock was the lack of medical rigour, who is going to train them all.

It is shocking that a "news" paper would just go for this poor victims without looking at the reality.

Given the strain on an under funded NHS how is this effectively new service, hugely over subscribed, suddenly going to emerged fully staffed (ie properly trained and supervised).

They would ask this of any other area of medical provision, but because it is about gender identity logic and reason go out of the window / news column.

ie this isn't a news report but campaigning.

DworkinWasRight · 06/08/2024 06:34

It’s an agency report, so not by a Guardian journalist. Most of it seems straightforward reporting on the numbers.

AlisonDonut · 06/08/2024 07:38

Who wants to treat confused kids, oh by the way 'converting' them to be happy in their bodies will soon be illegal...Anyone?

Littlewhingingfucker · 06/08/2024 07:55

One child under 5 has been referred. I don't want to discuss the rights and wrongs of this, but what treatment options are there for someone so young? Genuine question, if I took a five year old to a gender clinic what "treatment" would they receive?

soupfiend · 06/08/2024 07:57

These young people all need MH and/or psychiatric intervention for what is highly likely to be a number of comorbid conditions such as previous trauma, SA, ASD, anxiety, depression etc.

MsNeis · 06/08/2024 08:03

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Signalbox · 06/08/2024 08:04

Omlettes · 06/08/2024 00:36

At no point in this sorry excuse for a newspaper is there any querying of the huge number of under 18s...and it gets its own section, transgender.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/05/waiting-list-for-childrens-gender-care-rose-after-opening-of-new-specialist-hubs

Don’t play with the wrong toys kids or you’ll end up needing “gender care”.

Imnobody4 · 06/08/2024 14:51

Littlewhingingfucker · 06/08/2024 07:55

One child under 5 has been referred. I don't want to discuss the rights and wrongs of this, but what treatment options are there for someone so young? Genuine question, if I took a five year old to a gender clinic what "treatment" would they receive?

I think it's the parents that need the advice.

Omlettes · 06/08/2024 15:57

Imnobody4 · 06/08/2024 14:51

I think it's the parents that need the advice.

Locking up.
Behind all this, is one crucial dynamic.
Our willingness to follow a herd.

OP posts:
Omlettes · 06/08/2024 15:57

AlisonDonut · 06/08/2024 07:38

Who wants to treat confused kids, oh by the way 'converting' them to be happy in their bodies will soon be illegal...Anyone?

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soupfiend · 06/08/2024 17:57

Omlettes · 06/08/2024 15:57

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I presume the poster means that there is no other option for young people than to be affirmed and validated that they are in the 'wrong' body/gender

As I said in my post, the help they really need is MH and emotional support for these very likely comorbid combinations of disorders they have, rather than 'gender care' but that is akin to 'converting' them to be happy in their bodies and any therapist is going to steer clear of that

AdultHumanEmail · 07/08/2024 09:55

Every single set of parents here should have their kids taken away and be thrown in jail. Disgraceful. How dare they validate this insanity? Doctors should listen to parents, but these ones are beyond saving.

AnnaMagnani · 07/08/2024 15:32

Going forwards as the new clinics will only take patients referred by secondary care and with clear criteria, I would expect a collapse in referral rates.

Accepting referrals from anybody and everyone is a recipe for disaster for any clinic.

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