Feminism may turn out to be a short-lived civil rights movement if we don’t wake up to the threat that females now face

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Femicide appears to have become the “new black” this year. Misogyny has always been in fashion in one guise or another.

In the early 20th century it took the form of men trying to stop women having the vote. In the 1940s and 50s, it was the expectation that a woman’s place was in the home. When women rebelled and burned their bras in the 1960s and 70s, they were accused of being dangerous feminists.

Women have since been criticised for both earning a living, and staying at home to look after their children. They have had to put up with being sexually harassed at work, spawning the MeToo movement, been historically underpaid for generations compared with their male colleagues, and cruelly let down by a criminal justice system that has never done enough to protect them from men trying to rape and abuse them.

Then came the trans extremist movement which once again saw some men – identifying as female – trying to subjugate women by invading their spaces. We’ve seen academic women including <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/j3nIN/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/29/hounding-kathleen-stock-means-freedom-speech/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kathleen Stock hounded out of universities, successful women like J K Rowling disowned by the very people she made famous, and ordinary women smeared as bigots simply for trying to stand up for the sisterhood and children’s safeguarding.

Until this week, however, I don’t recall ever seeing a woman be actively put in harm’s way in the name of “inclusivity”. In arguably the most grotesque example of rampant wokery the world has ever witnessed, Thursday saw Italian boxer <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/j3nIN/www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/08/01/angela-carini-imane-khelif-italian-boxer-punched/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Angela Carini – an athlete so tough she is nicknamed “the Tiger” – having to abandon a bout in just 46 seconds, after being pummelled by an opponent with XY chromosomes.

Article continues at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/02/women-are-under-vicious-attack-and-too-few-liberals-care/

Right up until the very end I agreed with her, but not her conclusion - full article can read at https://archive.ph/j3nIN

Great article. Thank you.

Good to see it referred to as trans extremism. To me the destruction of women's rights is the whole point of this movement.

But did you read to the rest.

Did you see what she said in the last paragraph?

You have to read the article in full not just the first paragraphs I used in OP.

Or if you do agree with what she said in her last paragraph how does that it is with autonomous women organising - or do you think the only future for feminism is to rely on voilent men?

Do keep up Camilla dear - some of us have been fighting for bloody years!

Laate night typos:

Or if you do agree with what she said in her last paragraph how does that it is with autonomous women organising - or do you think the only future for feminism is to rely on voilent men?

Or if you do agree with what she said in her last paragraph, how does that fit in with autonomous women organising - or do you think the only future for feminism is to rely on voilent men?

Feminism has been under attack since its inception with the great writers of the 18th century and those who set the route before.
In our own lifetimes we have seen that.
I can remember the eyewateringly overt insults to feminists when Iwas a child in the 70s.
Its the largest political movement in the world, it may change name and go in and out with the tide but it will persist.
Rimanere forte.

I'm not sure I read that last paragraph as having to rely on violent men. Though it's understandable if women despair of getting anywhere alone, because male strength and violence is something we can't physically counter.

The furore over this boxing match is unreal. this man who apparently " pummeled" this woman for all of 46 seconds landed only a few punches.

If this man is so ridiculously strong and hits women boxes "like they have never been hit before", how come he? Has been beaten more then once by other women?

There have been many instances of people suffering serious injuries and death in boxing bouts and both of the "men" taking part in the Olympics have boxed women many other times and not killed anyone yet.

Is it possible that thes bouts are unfair and hay be banned going forward? Yes

Is it wanton endangerment of female lives? Get a grip.

I can’t read the article because it’s behind a paywall, but mainstream feminism has been dead in the water a long time. It’s all about convincing young women that Only Fans is empowering and insisting they join the army in combat positions, while at the same time insisting that women are getting slaughtered in Olympic boxing rings by men.

None of it adds up, no one even knows what feminism is anyway except an empty media rallying call. There are mumsnet threads arguing that the sports uniforms for women are not too revealing and women are free to wear whatever they want no matter how tight or inappropriate, and then threads like this that somehow feel that women have zero personal agency and are being forced into the ring to fight men.

So here’s my response. Male soldiers have forever been against serving alongside women and say it’s because they feel women are the physically weaker sex and need to be protected. Feminists attacked this position as misogynistic. So now we are being misogynistic by assuming these women can’t make their own decisions about who they compete against in a sporting arena. I’m tired of feminism insisting that women should be treated like men and then getting hysterical when they are treated like men, and then expecting me to get riled up about it.

@Happyinarcon yes, that's mainstream, liberal feminism, which basically isn't feminism at all. Second wave aka radical feminism (radical in the sense of the roots, not in the sense of extreme) aka women's liberation is much clearer and doesn't do the "sex work is work" or "men and women are just the same" pandering nonsense.

The OP includes an archive link where you can read the full article despite the paywall.

It looks like you don't want to read the article. Fair enough, but it's not because it isn't available to you.

This man is not 'ridiculously strong' compared to other males who have also been through male puberty. The strength difference is huge That's why this is unfair and unsafe for the women athletes.

not killed anyone yet.
Oh how kind of you! So if a woman dies you'll reconsider? Get a grip.

Happyinarcon Male soldiers have forever been against serving alongside women and say it’s because they feel women are the physically weaker sex and need to be protected.

Yes and women serving in the army feel so very protected by their male comrades from physical abuse like assault and rape, don't they?

-A female teenage soldier is believed to have taken her own life after relentless sexual harassment...
-2021 Armed Forces Continuous Attitudes Survey reported that 11% of female personnel ..had experienced sexual harassment in the Service environment in the previous 12 months..
-A black female soldier who fronted British Army recruitment campaigns has spoken for the first time about how years of racist abuse and bullying made her life whilst serving “a living hell”.
-Thousands of soldiers, mostly women, have been the victims of rape and sexual assault in the American military...
and so on and so on...

I can no longer access archive links as they seem to be blocked in my country, presumably because the servers also host some dodgy content? Could someone paste the contentious last paragraph?

I’m tired of feminism insisting that women should be treated like men and then getting hysterical when they are treated like men, and then expecting me to get riled up about it.
Since when does feminism say we should treat women exactly like men? That's not my understanding of feminism. It is, however, the argument put forward by lots of sexist men as to why it's fine for a woman to be punched by a male.

What an odd assumption. You might wish to look into a VPN.

What was particularly telling about the scenes outside Downing Street on Thursday night was how many women were present (some of whom ended up being man-handled by police). Were they all far-Right thugs and football hooligans? Or is it more likely that they are women desperate for someone to finally stand up for them and their daughters?

Thanks. It's not an assumption. I get a government message which flags up the site for paedophilia. The links worked fine up until a week ago.

archive.ph will make a copy of any page you ask it to, and is automated, so it's possible someone might have archived dodgy stuff there at some time.

Oh, assumed you'd be talking about the mass movement in America and other countries to end women's bodily autonomy, prevent them divorcing, ban contraception, limit the movements of women of childbearing age etc.... yeah, that's a serious threat all right.

Interesting to see the parallels. During the fight for votes for women there were plenty of women who opposed the idea and campaigned against it. It wasn't a simple case of men against women.

The same is happening today with plenty of women opposed to the feminists who are ringing the alarm bells as women's rights are eroded.

Thinking that women can defend ourselves alone is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Look at Iran. A whole country of men decide to subjugate women and there is FUCK ALL women can do about it.

We better fucking hope there are some strong men willing to defend our rights or we are absolutely screwed

It discounts history and all the tribalism and war that went with it. Which was mostly men defending their land and families from other tribes of men.
How we think we can just theorise this reality away until it doesn't exist is wishful, dangerous thinking.

Or is it more likely that they are women desperate for someone to finally stand up for them and their daughters?

Thanks for pointing this out @StickItInTheFamilyAlbum

Yes this was the sentence.

And I know its the Telegraph but this is really insidious and nasty.

Leaving aside the absurdity of thinking women who are organising against male violence would then think their best campaign is to joing men violently protestin.

The worst part is that this is straight out of the EDL song book.

Everying that is wrong in this country is because of foreigns. They come illegally. They take out housing. They have a different religion. They are the ones who are physically and sexually violent towards our nice English females.

It is groteque that she should even write that and that the Telegraph published it.

But then in fact the EDL is really useful for the Tories. No need to worry about being accused of selling off council housing, no need to worry about being accused of draining the NHS of finances.

Nothing that they did as a Government. Just too many foreigns "steeling" English peoples rights.

I always thought Suella Braverman's thought processes were totally bananas, but this female journalist obviously cant work out what a complete contradiction she has suggested in her concluding paragraph.

I think opinions on migrants are totally dependant on where you live. If you live in a lovely English country village you can pontificate over migration. If you live in a working lass town that has a huge migrant influx, your feelings may be very different.

just writing something off as 'bad' without stopping to consider the points in hand, is just as dangerous as those who shout 'transphobe'. It's about being righteous and not listening to the concerns of those affected.

Note to self:

1. Never post a new thread late at night because 9 times out of 10 it will only be read by those based in the USA who will totally miss the meaning because (as my old Ma used to say the US and the UK are 2 countries separated by the shared language.)
2. Never ever start a thread with selected paragraphs from an article because no one will read the entire article and this also means the thread is derailed.