Memo from Maya Forstater and Sex Matters on the IOC

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"Like many of you reading this memo, I watched with horror and anger on Thursday as Imane Khelif delivered a blow to the head of Angela Carini, leading her to concede the fight and give up her Olympic boxing dream.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has been very unclear about the facts regarding Khelif. But it seems clear that both Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan, both of whom are boxing in the female category in Paris, are in fact male, with disorders of sex development (DSD) that led to them being registered female, and that they are bringing male advantage into the female sporting category, which is precisely what the female category designed to exclude.

Athletes with one such DSD, 5-alpha reductase deficiency, or 5-ARD, are hugely over-represented in women’s sports. This is the condition Caster Semenya has, which leads to a male child appearing female or of ambiguous sex at birth, but going through normal male puberty and developing a male adult physique. It appears likely that this is also the condition that Khelif and Lin have.

Not only has the IOC dropped the policy of sex testing (which involves a cheek swab, not anything invasive) but it released portrayal guidance before the games telling journalists to avoid terms including “born male”, “born female”, “biologically male”, “biologically female”, “genetically male” and “genetically female”.

It claimed that these phrases can be “dehumanising”. It put out a statement defending its rules in the name of “good governance” and condemned “the current aggression towards these two athletes”.

Again and again the words used to speak the truth and to defend women’s rights and boundaries are said to be aggressive, dehumanising, harmful, toxic, polarising and mean. At the same time, actual harm to women is ignored"

What is dehumanising is a man being allowed to hit a woman.

I can’t believe that, in the 2020s we are having to say that male violence against women is not a sport.

What is going on at the IOC?
Who are they in bed with, who is paying who?
We need actual investigative reporting on this.
Write to them and make your feelings known
support.olympics.com/hc/en-gb/requests/new

Is there a list of all the athletes with DSD?

I posted this on the other thread and part of this seems to be competing sports bodies undermining each other.

The IBA is the one that said following testing the 2 boxers concerned should not compete as women. Since then the IBA has been suspended for financial problems / mismangement.

So the IOC which isn't as qualified as the IBA re boxing has decided to disregard what they found out, and are now saying it says female on their passport so they are female!

This is the IBA statement at the time they banned them
https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

Note the closing sentence

For clarification on why the IOC permits athletes with competitive advantages to compete in their events, we urge interested parties to seek answers directly from the IOC.

I know, and you make an excellent point the whole thing is a racket and you can bet your bottom dollar there is underwold activity going on, intercine warfare and fingers in pies everywhere.
It probably has little to do with Tra, rather an extension of their whole corrupt history.
Rainbow washing the dirt.
We need Carole Cadwalder or someone of her ilk to follow the money.

I've been fantasising about writing to Viner, who must see the writing on the wall re her own skin, and suggest that investigating the IOC top to bottom would go a very small way to compensate for her collusion and enablement.

"For clarification on why the IOC permits athletes with competitive advantages to compete in their events, we urge interested parties to seek answers directly from the IOC. '

Miaow

I find it interesting that every single one of these athletes only found out they had DSD at the exact moment they were found out.

And then today the news that Carini, the one damaged by the unfairness, has been forced to apologize to the male-bodied competitor.

How dare she have the gall to protest unfair competition!

No. It only comes to light when someone has a suspicion about their performance and submits them for testing. There have been dozens of males with DSDs in the Olympics for decades, probably since the Olympics began and we only know a few of them: Semenya, Wambui, Niyonsaba in Rio for example.

We have no conclusive knowledge of how many medals have been lost by women to men over the years but it isn’t zero. We don’t know if a woman has been forced to box a man previously, but it’s possible. Or wrestle, or fight in taekwondo.

There is no knowledge of whether these two boxers and the Zambian footballers are the only males in this Olympics or if there are more. It’s gaslighting on a global and historical scale.

Have just heard on the news that the IBA was banned because of links to Russia (not finances?) following war with Ukraine.

So whatever reason the group wiht knowledge re boxing has been replaced by uninformed ideologues at the IOC who seem to be implying there is no issue it is just foreign "actors" (ie Russia) stoking the culture war. Whereas the IOC is such a nice progressive inclusive feel good westerners (or something)

I dont know what the feck is going on, but as I said earlier follow the money.
But whatever it is in the middle of all this, women are getting their hard work sacrifices and dreams, crushed.

"Aggression towards these two athletes" yeah bollocks, the aggression is these men smashing women's faces in, sport or not.

Recent data from the University of Washington, states that the number of DSD individuals in the elite athlete population is around 140 times higher than in the general female population, and their presence on the podium is even more frequent.
Maybe the IOC like the winning/world record breaking athletic prowess, and silently supports the involvement of DSD athletes for this reason.

Janice Turner's column in the Times refers to African coaches deliberately scouting for DSD athletes to train for high-level women's competitions as - since sex testing was abandoned - they stand a chance of Olympic success. I seem to remember reviews of Caster Semenya's biography referring to a similar scouting process - according to those, Caster grew up being treated largely as a boy by her family (it was Caster's sisters who did the housework while Caster got to run around outside) until the athletics scouts appeared on the scene and the idea of Caster competing as a female was born.

"But it seems clear that both Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan, both of whom are boxing in the female category in Paris, are in fact male, with disorders of sex development (DSD) that led to them being registered female, and that they are bringing male advantage into the female sporting category, which is precisely what the female category designed to exclude."
I think it would be clearer to say that "they are bringing the advantages of male puberty into the female sporting category"
Because the argument for including them is a slippery one that hinges on a social vs. a biological definition of what it means to be a woman.
These 2 athletes may well have missed out on the social advantages that accrue to male people in the societies they were raised in, but they still have the physical advantages that come from the effects of male puberty on their bodies.
Being a woman is a biological actuality with social implications, not a social phenomenon.

I’m also very irritated by the constant reference to gender in these discussions by the media. It’s not bloody gender it’s sex! But if they say gender it means that can be anything you like doesn’t it?

Its all so bloody corrupt

Questioning eligibility of athletes previously excluded from female competition = aggression
Watching one of those athletes punch a woman and break her nose = entertainment
What a time to be alive.

It only comes to light when someone has a suspicion about their performance and submits them for testing

Yes! In any country with a healthcare system, families with a non-menstruating girl would be concerned enough to seek clinical investigation.

Even in very poor countries, this can matter to families so much (depending on local culture and norms) that this would still stimulate further investigation.

The history of recognising VSD is interesting. Yes, it took a while for testing to be available and for over-medicalisation to be reconsidered.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Yesterday 20:21

What is dehumanising is a man being allowed to hit a woman.

I'd formulated almost the exact same words.