If you're all about diversity ...

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are you not always excluding someone? So it not possible to be truly diverse ever?

Pretty sure I'm preaching to the choir here (😃) but I was thinking this a lot over the last few days. Since the furore over the apparent depiction of The Last Supper at the Olympics opening ceremony offending Christians and my thoughts meandering around lots of other things in and the news atm.

Basically, inclusion and diversity become oppositional. And yet it's the done thing to trumpet your inclusivity and diversity.

Or am I reading it wrong?

Who has targets like that? Not in finance and banking and not in anything the fca has ever recommended.

I've never heard of a 40% target for ethnicity and most organisations are barely at 10% so I don't think you need to worry about white people being disadvantaged.

Back to your purposeful misrepresentation of people’s posts again Cassie? Care to point out where I used the word ‘disadvantaged’?

If it has to be explained then the organisers and PR people haven't done their job correctly.
However you look at this, these games have been offensive to many people.

Because you haven’t heard of it?

You tell me where there are 40% targets and I'll respond accordingly. I work in a field where I know about targets for race/women other protected characteristics across the country and I have never come across 40% for ethnicity and no large organisation is anywhere near that.

Our targets are set to be representative of the British population

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Some of the comments here seem to be direct from the 'Andrew Tate's playbook - no one is discriminating against white men.

With comments like that you can see why tate is doing so well.

You tell me where we are discriminating against white men? Wanting a diverse workforce representative of the population is not discriminating against white men. I've already said some organisations are a bit over zealous with their DEI initiatives but even then you'll find it's lip service as their statistics do not show what you think they should.

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Not really. Your posts are making it very clear who you are and I'm not in the mood for playing pigeon chess today.

Where are all the initiatives for white working class boys in schools?
There aren't any, And you saying that they aren't being discriminated against just adds fuel to the tates of the world that have found away to make money out of this.

It's not because the boys are white or male, it is because they are poor and working class. I'm not aware of loads of DEI initiatives in schools (other than for Class in primary eg FSM opens up doors to additional funding) Class does need to be looked at and in the civil service for example it is being monitored and the levelling up agenda is looking to address but as per a lot of CS agendas, a lot of it is lip service.

Sure Start. The Tories axed it.
Pupil premium. Still there.

Off you fly then

And yet I can find loads of initiatives/grants and support for BAME (hate the term) POC and girls yet non aimed at white boys of any class.

The removal of privilege is often felt as discrimination by those who benefited from the privilege.

Very glib, but the reality is in many cases the individuals who had their ‘privilege removed’ never personally benefitted from it, even if their demographic had up to that point.

When a woman was added to the team of pundits covering rugby on RTE [Irish TV channel], there was an online outburst of 'Political correctness gone mad!'* 'Just there because she's female!' 'What does she know about rugby? She's just there to tick the diversity box!'
And so on and so forth - till somebody pointed out that this clueless random woman who knew nothing about rugby and who got the job solely to tick the diversity box was in fact the captain of the Irish team which had won the World Rugby Championship...🙄

*for our younger readers, 'political correctness gone mad' is what 'woke' used to be called.

Oh won't someone think of the poor white men

Ah, you have flown back to strut around and knock over some more pieces? 🐦

That’s not the reality at all.

The reality is long lasting benefits at a class level, that are perceived as the norm by those who benefit due to being a member of that class.

Societal privilege is experienced at populations levels, and benefits may well not be noticed or perceived by individuals.

When the class privilege is noticed, and addressed, previous beneficiaries cry discrimination.

As an example, think of all the men who protest about initiatives to even out positions of power and influence, like the judiciary, parliament, or corporate leadership.

I don’t think it is a given that ‘privilege’ works like this and imo the way it plays out cannot be tracked clearly enough in many cases to make diversity initiatives fair or worthwhile.

Much of what is happening is not through official DEI schemes, it is more a general consciousness/virtue signalling. The way it plays out is really strange - see the over representation of black actors compared to Asian actors (who are a much bigger demographic in the UK), for example.

I think DEI is just a racket. Go hard on actual discrimination, nepotism etc and leave everything else to take care of itself imo.

Having worked in a number of tech companies I can tell you the sector is overwhelmingly white and male. Whatever they say about diversity some companies only want to hire a very specific type of person, and that person is usually white and male.