Body Language and Instinct

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I'm fascinated by the current video on twitter of the man ripping his wig off and the body Language.

In the first part it seems to me that there's lots of pointing and subtly aggressive body language, then he'll remember he's supposed to be one of the most vulnerable people on the planet and his body language changes to more submissive, fluttering of the eyes, looking up thru eyelashes , clasping of hands. There's already an incongruence there between how he wants to come across and what leaks out when he can't maintain the act.

It's this sort of incongruence that often our spidey senses pick up long before we're conscious of it that we're being asked to ignore.
Why do so many fall for it though? Or are they just better at over riding any sort of warning system?

Trying to pin it down I'm wondering if the submissive body language is more of a red flag in an ordinary none aggressive situation than not or is it just how someone might see femininity?

He appears psychotic doesn't he? The trans label is convenient for some mental health conditions it seems and the 'be kind' brigade are usually the type of people who are terrified of being disliked.

I've also seen it this week in another context. I do a sport where it's quite common for a woman to meet up with a man on their own out in the country.

In a Facebook page this man posted some photos, one in quite a submissive pose but in a small pair of swimming trunks, groin very visible. Some of the men have posted commenting about the massive red flag this is but a few of the women have offered to meet up. Maybe having convinced themselves that he's harmless? Maybe wanting to show how cool and open minded they are?
What happens next is other women come along and read any posts about them meeting up and assume he's ok because these women seemingly haven't picked up on anything. Then once everyone is relaxed and there's a large pool of women there's the potential for it to escalate.
(I have seen this unfold before)

Could you link the video? I don't know it.

I've also seen it this week in another context. I do a sport where it's quite common for a woman to meet up with a man on their own out in the country.
I have drawn a blank on what this sport could be!

I also thought he came across as a racist twat.
The remark - "you, a black woman, decided to call the police on ME - a transwomen"
I thought it sounded very much like KNOW your place.
As for the injured arm - I'm lost for words

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1815885659028217933

She's a brave woman with boundaries: he's a little insecure male who got bullied at school and now wants to control the world.

That video is a great addition to Operation: Let them speak.

OP. I found that abusive male was performative the entire way through. That person escalated when the women who they accused refused to accede to whatever it was that the male abuser demanded.

It started with playing with the wig. The flicking of hair and moving it, pulling it back etc was most definitely an affectation. As were the exaggerated hand movements, such as the pointing at the start. The hand movements seem to be trying to emulate some of the female teenage girl, young woman style of movement that conveys drama maybe due to the overemphatic nature. Particularly the use of the pointy finger moving vertically to do a 'whole body point' and the joining of hands in front of the body with a large bag hung on the arm and a sideways pose.

And yes the blinking.

This male person has adopted a hugely stereotyped persona and style of talking. I sometimes see it used by drag queens. That this male person thinks this is how a female person acts is pure misogyny.

And then the wig comes off, the bag is thrown down, the true hair is smoothed and the aggression steps up. The stamping of the foot was childish, but even the pointing became pointing rather than stylised, and the elbow came out to make them bigger, if you know what I mean.

Mind you, the learned behaviour then sneaks back and they are playing with hair again and the pointing is that dramatised style. And then comes the cleaning of the wig to ram home the point that this person is one of the most vulnerable and marginalised. Oh, and that they looked better than the woman they are abusing.

I wondered if this was staged because it was so performative.

So that's a gross over reaction to what seems to have been an accidental shoulder bum walking down the street?

I believe there is research in the social sciences that showed women move out of the way of others while men expect women to move out of the way? (Don't ask me to link it Im recalling from university years ago!). But basically if he were a woman he would have been conditioned to pay attention to others on the street and give way like other women do and this would not have happened.....

Redshoeblueshoe

He is being racist but I think his comment means I am more oppressed than you are so you should submit out of guilt so "think about that", you black woman who is grinding me beneath her heel.
He was performing "ghetto". At a black woman. To show he was one of the oppressed. I hope I'm explaining this properly. I found that bit very offensive. Mysogynoir.

Well analysed. The whole damn thing was a performance and he'd probably been wandering around all day looking for a woman to start a fight with or bully.

'I looked better than you'.
😂

I get uncanny valley vibes when I see a man who is attempting to pass as a woman. I think that is normal. On the occasions that I feel threatened, I follow my instinct and avoid the person. Certain people feel uncomfortable and override those feelings, even overcompensate because they also have uncomfortable feelings when they are around gay people. They are homophobic and they know that's bad so they suppress those feelings and assume they should do the same when they see a man claiming to be a woman.

Does anyone know what happened next?

I've took against him.

He tells her to get back to the Hood? WTAF. He knows he has overstepped when he says You people and immediately says oh now you’ll be calling me racist. He tells her why it happened by projecting - he is jealous of how she looks - and the whole wig rip is ridiculous what an anti climax - (her reaction though - oh okay 😑) love the woman recording what a calm together young woman she was to start recording and hold her tongue to let him humiliate himself at length. Found the whole diatribe very misogynoir - he wanted a fight with a black woman so he could start screaming about the Hood - someone said upthread his “ghetto fight” vibes are all there plain to see. So so racist. He picked on the wrong woman. Hope the cops listened to her - how dare he say that to her about calling the cops - it was a covert threat in itself eg no good comes to black people who call for cops in the USA Eugh.

‘Angry young woman’.
’you’d be better off in the ghetto’

Coming from a white man to a black woman 😬

If this shows up on Reddit I bet they’ll call the perfectly reasonable woman a Karen. She did well to stay so calm.

I have a sixth sense when it comes to identifying women in early pregnancy. I’m a HCP so do see a few. I just sense it when they walk in the surgery.
I used to think it was due to subtle body language but I think it is a more fundamental olfactory sense (smell) that we all have but no longer use consciously. This applies to gender as well. We don’t need to see the physical markers of gender we can sense them when face to face. And the very subtle differences in photos, we are able to pick up on subconsciously.
Interestingly, men struggle with the visual subtleties, they sex others based on gross anatomy. If a person has boobs then they are a woman.
A few years ago a friend of mine was contacted via SM by a woman who claimed to know an old friend of his. Essentially the old friend had died and the woman had emigrated here and reached out to let my friend know about the death.
My friend was a little suspicious and asked me what I thought about her( showed me photos etc). I laughed at him and told him that the woman was quite obviously his deceased friend who hadn’t died but had had a sex change. He didn’t have any photos of the old friend ( pre digital) so we tracked down some old photos. Once side by side it confirmed our suspicions.
Maybe it’s because I have a visual memory so faces are easy for me. Interestingly, though, most of the men ( who also knew the old friend) couldn’t see the likeness until the old photo was brought out. They all commented that it had to be a woman because of the boobs.
I have shown the photo to a number of other women, without giving them any back story. Every single one identified the image as a man dressed as a woman.
Women are much better at sexing individuals both in images and in real life. Physical behaviour just reinforces your initial impression.