Something That Never Happens Has Never Happened Again (US Women's Shelter)

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A man who identifies as a woman has attempted to murder a female homeless shelter worker in the US after being excluded from the facility the previous night. The man was evicted from the women's shelter for breaking the rules and not for being a male. Thankfully he is being held in isolation in a men's prison but it is unclear whether this situation will remain in place. The mainstream US media seems more concerned that he is in the male estate, and that this all makes trans-identifying men look bad, than they do about the woman who was stabbed with a sword.

Inside Edition

I’m confused on the point you’re making. This person clearly had a grievance against the shelter and the staff as they felt like they’d been wronged. They didn’t lie about being trans in order to access a single sex space to murder someone. So their access to a single sex space plays no part in this story. The fact that they’re trans is totally irrelevant to the story in this case. They were given access, which was then revoked and they came back uninvited to murder someone. This didn’t happen because they were allowed into a single sex space “incorrectly”

This is a horrific story but it’s not justification for forcing trans people to use spaces allocated for genders they don’t align with. any more so than when a male doctor sexually assaults a female patient, we say “ok no more male doctors having access to female patients as they’re all clearly only becoming doctors so they can molest women”

Every population will have evil people, but those evil people don’t define that population.

It's male violence against women. Male pattern behaviour. Male entitlement. Male grievance escalating into extreme violence when women don't do what they want.

This is the reason we do not want men in women's spaces. We have women's spaces to protect women from men like this. He did not inform staff that he was a man. We also do not know what the behaviour was that got him evicted. There are too many stories of predatory men behaving like this in places that should be safe harbours for women.

it’s not justification for forcing trans people to use spaces allocated for genders they don’t align with

'Justification' isn't and shouldn't be necessary.

Being born with a penis is all the reason needed for a person to be excluded from spaces designed and intended for females.

They can go and cry about how unfair that is if they want. In the gents, with the other penis-owners.

So their access to a single sex space plays no part in this story. The fact that they’re trans is totally irrelevant to the story in this case.

Of course it bloody does. The person is male. Allowing males into women's only places increases the risk of violence and death to women.

Literally the first line of the article
"In a statement to Inside Edition Digital from Miracle Hill Ministries, they say there were unaware that Michell Silva Perez, 34, was a trans woman"

So, they did effectively lie.

Although looking at the picture I'm somewhat sceptical but whatever. You can't have it both ways.

Esma is quite correct as to why it is justification for excluding males from female single sex soaces.

”It's male violence against women. Male pattern behaviour. Male entitlement. Male grievance escalating into extreme violence when women don't do what they want.”

There is no evidence that a male at any stage of transition has a lower propensity to commit violence crime or sexual offences than other male people in that country’s population. Your point of view that there is always evil people in a population shows a lack of understanding about how safeguarding risk is assessed that determines if single sex spaces are needed in the first place.

Whether a male person is vulnerable in a male single sex space or not is no reason at all to then put a male person into a female single sex space. What other vulnerable male people do you think should go into female single sex spaces for protection? A male who is older? A male who has significant mental health issues?

Or, because a male with a trans identity is still male, and still has the same risk of committing violent acts or sex offences as all other males, should they be treated as a vulnerable male person and housed accordingly? With other male people who are vulnerable.

“when a male doctor sexually assaults a female patient, we say “ok no more male doctors having access to female patients as they’re all clearly only becoming doctors so they can molest women”

You do realise that many health authorities allow female people to ask for another female person to be in the room with them and the male doctor for the reason stated above? And sometimes the authority will specify that a male doctor will have to have that other female person in the room if the female patient is in a state of undress? Just for the very reason you used as a gotcha? That because of that very reason, special conditions have been made exactly because of the risk assessment that male doctors carry the same risk as all other male people in that country’s population?

Your ‘gotcha’ is not the gotcha you thought it was. It makes you seem either misinformed or like someone who hasn’t understood safeguarding principles at all.

He's a bloke.

He should've gone to a shelter for blokes.

It is not irrelevant he is trans. Trans means he is a male who was given access somewhere he shouldn’t have, and then when he abused that and was evicted his male violence and entitlement kicked in. It is also relevant he is trans because we see this as a pattern of behaviour.

RatalieTatalie do you lock your front door when you go out? Leave your keys in your car at the supermarket? If so, why do you marginalise your whole community?

The story is all about a trans woman accessing womens safe spaces and showing them self to be unsafe and a risk to women.

And yes that stabbed womens safety matters 100%

Honestly cannot believe the first post on a thread about a woman being murdered is ridiculous 'yeah, but' gotcha attempt.

Edited to add, of course I can. Having seen more posts! Absolutely yes the future feels of people are far more important 😑

He was a male, whatever his outward presentation ( therefore of the group that commits 98% of violent crimes, including violence against women) who should never have been included among women in the first place.

Look at the lie being perpetuated in this news report!

www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/crime/2024/07/19/police-arrest-woman-accused-of-stabbing-miracle-hill-employee/74468627007/

This is a horrific story but it’s not justification for forcing trans people to use spaces allocated for genders they don’t align with. any more so than when a male doctor sexually assaults a female patient, we say “ok no more male doctors having access to female patients as they’re all clearly only becoming doctors so they can molest women”

In imagine Rat is new to this board, struggles to understand the points made on this board, or is on the wind up.

In case it's one of the first 2:

• Rape crisis centres are (or should be) single sex, whereby female RCCs are for natal females. Their gender identity, if they have one, does not feature.
• Women can request female doctors. If there is not a female doctor available, they can have a chaperone. Furthermore, there is comprehensive (although not fail safe) vetting of practicing doctors that is not any way comparable to users of RCCs.

Why do separate /segregate anything by sex?

I think there is a fundamental difference here. Women feel that they don’t need the permission of men to have places which are safe from male violence. You obviously see those spaces as a gift from men’s largesse which can be withdrawn or modified to their Holy Will. You seem to believe there is a moral superiority in your view. I for one reject whatever halo your shining in its entirety.

People pretend to be something they aren’t to gain access to victims every day of the week. That is not an argument to marginalise a whole community. As I said before, you will always have evil people, that doesn’t make all trans people evil and deserving of segregation.

No they are not all evil and segregation has nothing to do with it as he shouldn't have been there in the first place. Transwomen , because they are men , have no right to be in female only spaces.

We exclude 50% of the population from women’s single sex spaces because they commit 98% of the crimes the women are sheltering from.

No one from that 50% should be in women’s spaces.

In certain circumstances ALL MEN need to be excluded from women’s spaces.

It does not matter what “ community” those men belong to, whether that be the priesthood, or transgenderhood.

Your argument doesn’t make sense. A violent male tricked his way into a women’s refuge, broke the rules while he was there, and stabbed a woman while he was being evicted. He shouldn’t have been there in the first place. UK government statistics show that transwomen commit crimes at the same rate as other males. They should not be housed with vulnerable women.

I thought I'd have a look online at the reporting. Much of it is like this:

Person upset over eviction stabs another in Greenville Co., deputies say

So what's the justification for forcing female survivors of male violence to accept male people (who are in some cases just as violent and dangerous as the male people they are seeking sanctuary from) in women's shelters?

I don't align with whatever male people who say they identify as women are. What shelters are female people who align with being female and needing male free spaces supposed to use?

In this article it begins by calling the male murderer a woman, though it goes on later in the article to use their surname and ‘person’:

A Miracle Hill employee was stabbed in the stomach by a woman evicted from the property, according to the Greenville County Sheriff's Office.

But then in this excerpt,

Perez could be seen on camera ambushing the victim and forcing them to the ground in a physical altercation, according to warrants. The video shows that the person was stabbed to the extent of their organs being exposed to the outside of their body.

the victim, an actual woman, is written about as ‘them’ and ‘the person’.

www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/crime/2024/07/19/police-arrest-woman-accused-of-stabbing-miracle-hill-employee/74468627007/