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Trans identifying female appeals sentence because she would find being misgendered in prison hard

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BettyBooper · 23/07/2024 12:28

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewca/crim/2024/815

TIF pretends to be man and has sex with girls using dildo. Seriously assaults them causing serious injury. Appeals sentence, in part, because being misgendered in prison is 'distressing'.

Thankfully, appeal is dismissed, but this makes for shocking reading. Well done to the victims for coming forward.

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https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewca/crim/2024/815

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/07/2024 13:00

That's an awful read. Transactivists must be relieved that this part of the appeal was dismissed:
"One of the issues raised by the appeal is whether the sentence is manifestly excessive in circumstances where the appellant had gender dysphoria which, it is submitted on behalf of the appellant, lessened his culpability".

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 23/07/2024 13:07

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/07/2024 13:00

That's an awful read. Transactivists must be relieved that this part of the appeal was dismissed:
"One of the issues raised by the appeal is whether the sentence is manifestly excessive in circumstances where the appellant had gender dysphoria which, it is submitted on behalf of the appellant, lessened his culpability".

Yet, how often have we seen similar defence points (both lessened culpability and why a client should be spared the indignity of potential misgendering and restrictions in prison) manage to get a TW released on probation rather than serve the sentence that an offence would normally attract?

S1lverCandle · 23/07/2024 13:09

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/07/2024 13:00

That's an awful read. Transactivists must be relieved that this part of the appeal was dismissed:
"One of the issues raised by the appeal is whether the sentence is manifestly excessive in circumstances where the appellant had gender dysphoria which, it is submitted on behalf of the appellant, lessened his culpability".

Surely they'd have loved this nonsense to be affirmed by a court?

Cattenberg · 23/07/2024 13:19

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 23/07/2024 13:07

Yet, how often have we seen similar defence points (both lessened culpability and why a client should be spared the indignity of potential misgendering and restrictions in prison) manage to get a TW released on probation rather than serve the sentence that an offence would normally attract?

Yes, I’ve read about a few cases in the UK in which the court agreed that the trans defendant would find prison particularly difficult and therefore, they were given a non-custodial sentence.

I also read about one case in the US in which a trans defendant argued that “Jenny” should not be held responsible for offences allegedly committed years ago by “John”. I never found out the outcome of this case, but I believe (hope?) that this line of defence was unsuccessful.

Igmum · 23/07/2024 13:28

Those poor young women. Yes also very relieved the court didn't allow this appeal but I wonder what they would have said if it had been a TW?

Also, presumably some idiotic doctor was giving this violent, controlling, disturbed woman testosterone? Can we take action against them?

BettyBooper · 23/07/2024 13:30

I might have some sympathy if the crimes were unrelated to sex or gender, like theft.

But the whole thing is that she lied about her sex to commit these horrific offences and is now offended if people in prison say the truth! And wanted this to be a reason to have the sentence reduced! 🤨

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BettyBooper · 23/07/2024 13:32

Igmum · 23/07/2024 13:28

Those poor young women. Yes also very relieved the court didn't allow this appeal but I wonder what they would have said if it had been a TW?

Also, presumably some idiotic doctor was giving this violent, controlling, disturbed woman testosterone? Can we take action against them?

Yes surely there should be consideration about increase in violence when prescribing a drug. How can it be justified to the victims of violence?

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ScrollingLeaves · 23/07/2024 13:37

Though unrelated to the appeal itself, the culpability of the defendant, or how awful the effect her crimes on her/his victims,

I am interested to see the degree to which the defendant fits two of the possible profiles for gender dysphoria: former trauma and abuse, and having been in care.

I alsowonder how much of her extra aggression and ADHD symptoms might have been the result of ‘gender affirming’ testosterone?

ScrollingLeaves · 23/07/2024 13:40

Igmum · 23/07/2024 13:28

Those poor young women. Yes also very relieved the court didn't allow this appeal but I wonder what they would have said if it had been a TW?

Also, presumably some idiotic doctor was giving this violent, controlling, disturbed woman testosterone? Can we take action against them?

I wonder that too Igmum. The Like giving a gun to a disturbed person.

I am sorry, I had not read your post yet when I wrote mine.

Igmum · 23/07/2024 13:44

Great minds @ScrollingLeaves and we know that testosterone raises women's offending levels

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