Genspect

[MrsMasterclass]

Has anyone heard of this organisation? I’d never come across them before or seen them mentioned on this board. Anyone involved with them? Seems like a fairly sensible set of beliefs but I wondered what the history was and any real world experience.

genspect.org/our-position-faqs/

They’ve been going for a few years, they released this short film yesterday

I've heard of them through the wider lens podcast.

I feel that they are the most sensible solution and hold a respectful and intelligent position on the current madness.

Would highly recommend giving the podcast a listen.

https://youtube.com/@widerlenspod?si=_-1psLOf0Wtysn5W

Genspect are fab, as a PP said, Gender: A Wider Lens podcast has been going for a few years now and I think is where Genspect originated. A reality based alternative to WPATH that helps people who are gender-questioning.

They put on conferences in the same towns, at the same time to WPATH (well, EPATH, the European branch) and invite people to attend both.

Seems quite right wing? Or am I getting that wrong? I’m left wing but GC and am suprised by how few organisations speak to this fairly quiet but large group of us.

What do you mean by right wing? The linked video? Or Genspect in general? I have never found them right wing (but I haven’t watched this particular linked video, but have watched heaps of their other ones.) I am left wing, but have lost patience with the unscientific, thoughtless approach of identity/social justice politics.

I agree Genspect are fab in my view; nuanced and intelligent and very much about psychological therapy and gaining insight into what is really going on for people who arrive at a trans identity as being a solution for them. I recommend listening to early back issues of Gender: A wider lens on Spotify or YouTube. Hours of very in depth discussion with a huge variety of guests.

Genspect do really important work. And the pod, Gender: A Wider Lens is really interesting. You should listen to a few episodes.

I don't think Stella O'Malley and Sash Ayad should be judged as "GC feminists" (I personally don't use the term "GC" as I'm just a feminist and have been for 50 years) - they are gender questioning therapists, not political feminists.

Genspect is fighting back against the fetishist-led (not medico-led) WPATH organisation. They advocate for "watchful waiting" and talking therapies, rather than gender affirmative "care" such as social transition, hormones, and surgery.

There's a website - with links to the Wider Lens podcast. Do a bit of reading & listening. THey're great - and in their own quiet way, heroic courageous warriors against harmful gender extremist ideology.

I've just watched the video. I don't see any political leaning, there's a slight "emotional reasoning" twist to it for the first half in the sense there is sinister music, but all the clips they're using are of genuine TRA material. The clips are all very jarring and shocking (both the TRAs and the surgery images), but I don't think that's Genspect twisting anything, it's just genuinely disturbing content.

I'd be interested in hearing why you get a right wing vibe from the video (I'm also left wing, although have been increasingly moving into what I guess is now the "centre", but I just call old-school left!).

I don’t get the right wing comment.

It came across as a lot of information in a short video, shocking, but well-chosen footage to illustrate what was being said.

Is it because it is that form of ‘made for YouTube’ style of documentary expose looks right wing to some people? Perhaps to people who are frightened of contamination by non-approved sources, only read the guardian and would never click on a Daily Mail link, that sort of thing?

Perhaps it’s because the presenter looks clean cut?

Would it seem more left wing if he was a bit more rough in appearance and more jokey like Michael Moore?

They've been about for ages. I used to love them, but now am less convinced - they've started framing AGP as an orientation rather than a fetish more recently, and though they get many interesting podcast guests, I think the line up for their conferences are muddled and the focuses too disparate. Stella I also liked a lot but have found her lack of discipline between personal opinions and Genspects professional facing line aggravating to say the least haha.

They also seem to have the line that 'gender affirmative care' is always wrong for minors, but little regard to adults, especially vulnerable ones, and Ive beard several detransitioners feel sidelined and betrayed by them as the years have gone on.

I've heard good things about SEGM as an alternative, they keep pretty focused on just what science is coming out as it happens, but don't know heaps.