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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Artichoke Project are exploring 'what a Real Woman' is

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MrsGhastlyCrumb · 21/07/2024 23:05

Just seen this scrolling on a bus stop on our High Street.

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Tried tweeting about it, but the tweets just disappeared within seconds, which felt a bit sinister.

Who are these people, and where are they getting the money to promote such mediocre pish?

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PronounsBaby · 22/07/2024 06:20

From the website

' The Gallery is the UK’s largest public exhibition. Thought-provoking artworks take over thousands of billboards and digital screens across over 30 towns and cities in the UK. Prominent contemporary names have been commissioned, such as 2024 Jarman-nominee Sin Wai Kin, filmmaker Joanna Hogg and the 2023 Aesthetica Art Prize-winner Larry Achiampong. It’s a far-reaching event that brings people together to explore the key debates affecting our times. Past editions have posed the question No But Where Are You Really From? (2023), reflected on The State We’re In (2023) and interrogated the Straight White Male (2022).

Now, The Gallery unveils its fourth project with the theme: A Real Woman. Curator Bakul Patki explains: “I felt it crucial that this was not seen as a question to be answered, but rather a statement to be considered. There is no single or simple definition of a woman. I hope the different perspectives presented by our artists will inspire viewers to consider the plurality of the female experience and thereby encourage understanding and empathy towards those whose lives are shaped differently from their own.” The 11 creatives commissioned share a variety of perspectives, exploring everything from feminism and gender identity to health disparities and home life. Here, we spotlight some of the pieces coming to you soon'

I love the idea of using billboards to display art. I think it will be interesting and hopefully provoke some conversations.

GenderBlender · 22/07/2024 06:28

What percentage do you reckon will be the cunty type of women versus the new ones, you know, the ones with penises.

HoppityBun · 22/07/2024 07:05

There is no single or simple definition of a woman. Adult female human

Summerhillsquare · 22/07/2024 07:25

I look forward to the question "what is a man? There is no one definition..." Sexist twats.

PronounsBaby · 22/07/2024 07:28

I think 15/20 years ago ot would have been really interesting look into stereotypes, 'womens work' ect but now.... 😐

LoobiJee · 22/07/2024 07:31

Summerhillsquare · 22/07/2024 07:25

I look forward to the question "what is a man? There is no one definition..." Sexist twats.

Well, I’d like to see digital billboards with “A Real Man” exhibition…..followed by all the BBC and other media discussions about them being led by female presenters and female interviewees. Let’s face it, that’s been women’s experience over the last few years,

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/07/2024 07:40

I believe now Twitter is X there's been a crackdown on linking to other websites. Idiotic, but there we go. I imagine that's why your tweets disappeared, rather than any sinister reason.

MrsGhastlyCrumb · 22/07/2024 07:42

Thanks, @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g. That makes sense- kind of annoying though!

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MrsGhastlyCrumb · 22/07/2024 07:48

@PronounsBaby see, normally I would agree, but of the various images appearing in the board I was looking after last night only one of maybe 12 could possibly be considered to be related in any way to something other than genderism. Some images appeared in every rotation, and they were the ones that depicted trans-related issues. There was a very strong bias towards that message; I personally got the impression that they did not intend to provoke thought rather than compel submission.

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MrsGhastlyCrumb · 22/07/2024 07:49

*looking at. The dastardly autocorrect strikes again..,

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Runor · 22/07/2024 08:03

I would have loved to see an exhibition which genuinely explored the female experience. I’d also be really interested to see an exhibition exploring the transwoman experience. They are substantively different, and I’m not sure they have much in common - why would they?

FrancescaContini · 22/07/2024 08:18

“There is no single definition of woman” 🥱
We all know what this is going to be about…

FrancescaContini · 22/07/2024 08:24

Runor · 22/07/2024 08:03

I would have loved to see an exhibition which genuinely explored the female experience. I’d also be really interested to see an exhibition exploring the transwoman experience. They are substantively different, and I’m not sure they have much in common - why would they?

You mean: exploring the experience of men who want us to believe they’re women?

Nah. Couldn’t think of anything less interesting tbh. I’m sick of men in bras and men in women’s sports and men putting on dangly earrings thinking this is womanly essence and men boring on about their “identity” and men potentially coming into my DDs’ private spaces. 🥱🥱

Naunet · 22/07/2024 12:57

There is no single definition of woman

What an offensive, misogynist fool

GiveMeSpanakopita · 22/07/2024 14:53

They can "explore" it all they like as long as NO public money is being spent on it.

Our national finances are already in a parlous enough state without spending a single penny on "exploring" something which we have been perfectly straight on for millennia.

UpThePankhurst · 22/07/2024 15:01

There is no single or simple definition of a woman.

Pish.

"I hope the different perspectives presented by our artists will inspire viewers to consider the plurality of the female experience"

Oh let me guess, the 'plurality of experience' is all about males

"and thereby encourage understanding and empathy towards those whose lives are shaped differently from their own.”

translation: encourage your obedience to the faith that the most important thing about women is men.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 22/07/2024 15:29

UpThePankhurst · 22/07/2024 15:01

There is no single or simple definition of a woman.

Pish.

"I hope the different perspectives presented by our artists will inspire viewers to consider the plurality of the female experience"

Oh let me guess, the 'plurality of experience' is all about males

"and thereby encourage understanding and empathy towards those whose lives are shaped differently from their own.”

translation: encourage your obedience to the faith that the most important thing about women is men.

TRAs always use such disingenuous language don't they?

The frequent rhetoric around 'pluralities of womanhood' and 'many ways of being a woman' on the surface of it sounds like wonderfully inclusively third wave feminism - women come in all shapes and sizes, all colours and creeds, all walks of life and they all deserve equal opportunity!

Can't help but assent to that....until you scratch the surface of what they REALLY mean and discover that what they really mean is "there's a plurality of womanhood cos we've decided that womanhood now includes men. And if you've got a problem with that, you must be a regressive right winger who thinks that women only belong in the kitchen. BIGOT!"

Moontoboon · 22/07/2024 15:41

There is no single or simple definition of a woman

There really is. There may be no single or simple experience of being a woman, but all the people having those various and varied experiences of being a woman will meet the single and simple definition of adult human female.

If they don't meet the definition of adult human female then they are not having an experience of being a woman.

ditalini · 22/07/2024 15:52

Well yes, women are vastly different to each other. The only thing we all have in common is the experience of being an adult human female. I doubt they'll "explore" that fact though.

ArabellaScott · 22/07/2024 16:34

ditalini · 22/07/2024 15:52

Well yes, women are vastly different to each other. The only thing we all have in common is the experience of being an adult human female. I doubt they'll "explore" that fact though.

Less scope for self indulgent musing twaddle, innit.

The plain fact is not all that exciting. Women are women.

Imnobody4 · 22/07/2024 17:29

I am just so sick of contemporary art. Has all the depth and subtlety of a Wonderbra advert in fact it's all just advertising and political statements getting ideas above their station. What does it really mean to be a woman? How do women see themselves – in relation to each other and to the rest of the world? How does a woman decide the kind of woman she is? Who’s looking? Who’s judging? What insight might the experience of transgender women provide? We asked to hear from any artist who identified in any way, if they felt they had artistic insight to share. Season 4 of The Gallery garnered nearly 900 responses, of which 11 works by international artists were commissioned to explore the theme ‘A Real Woman’.https://thegallery.org.uk/
They just have to include One is not born a woman....
Seriously can anyone name an artist of any real merit.

HoppityBun · 22/07/2024 18:04

Summerhillsquare · 22/07/2024 07:25

I look forward to the question "what is a man? There is no one definition..." Sexist twats.

Me too.

NitroNine · 22/07/2024 19:17

What insight might the experience of transgender women provide?

The male gaze with an extra twist of misogyny? 🤷‍♀️

Bideshi · 22/07/2024 19:22

Imnobody4 · 22/07/2024 17:29

I am just so sick of contemporary art. Has all the depth and subtlety of a Wonderbra advert in fact it's all just advertising and political statements getting ideas above their station. What does it really mean to be a woman? How do women see themselves – in relation to each other and to the rest of the world? How does a woman decide the kind of woman she is? Who’s looking? Who’s judging? What insight might the experience of transgender women provide? We asked to hear from any artist who identified in any way, if they felt they had artistic insight to share. Season 4 of The Gallery garnered nearly 900 responses, of which 11 works by international artists were commissioned to explore the theme ‘A Real Woman’.https://thegallery.org.uk/
They just have to include One is not born a woman....
Seriously can anyone name an artist of any real merit.

Pity Paula Rego's gone. She pretty much nailed for me.

Keepingcosy · 22/07/2024 21:15

The one good thing about this whole gender identity shitshow is that it's imploded the notion of a 'real woman' and a 'real man'. Like men and women are ideas that can be quantified.

It's like it's woken many of us up to a fact we knew deep down all along that a man or a woman is simply a matter of biology.

To me, this dates the premise of this exhibition, unless of course it has an agenda to push a certain ideology.