"I treat transgender children"

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"banning puberty blockers is not a decision for politicians to make
Aidan Kelly

Decisions around the tiny minority for whom the option could be helpful should be made by clinicians, not Wes Streeting"
Dr Aidan Kelly is a clinical psychologist and Director at Gender Plus
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/19/transgender-children-ban-puberty-blockers-wes-streeting

A child is a child and no one
Should be chemically or physically castrating a child with irreversible side affects. As shown time and time again many grow up regretting it.

If a child can not drink untill 21 then they can't mutilate themseleves either. This is a modern issue created by people who have 1st world problems. Lets focus on what is important and raising well rounded children. What they choose to-do as adults is up to them.
The inly tuing the government have done right in decades. 👍🏽

Aidan Kelley is seing his new financial venture going down the pan as adults - including governments - finally wake up to the catastrophic damage society has allowed to happen to children and young people by allowing trans extremist beliefs to run amok in society.

We're beginning to stop the young signing up to a lifetime of infertility, mutilated bodies, untreated mental health problems and a lifetime of regret for the lives they could have had.

Go away Aidan and leave children alone.

This subject shouldn’t get as far as politicians. Should be that all doctors consider their oath to do no harm. Interfering with puberty is harmful.
They will argue as usual that the subjects will just kill themselves but that’s an threat abusers use.

There are people who think genital mutilation is good for children, or paedophilia even. We outlaw those things to protect children.

Another attempt to draw the focus away from the Cass Report, Wes Streeting has based his decision on a report complied by DR Cass and her equally qualified team of experts.

@Useruserdoubleuser

This subject shouldn’t get as far as politicians. Should be that all doctors consider their oath to do no harm.

Yeah, this. Doctors should be trusted to make appropriate decisions, but unfortunately they don't. There is plenty of regulation in the medical profession imposed by law, I don't see why this should be any different.

Doctors have been responsible for a lot of harm, either with or without ‘guidance’ from politicians.

In Nazi Germany; in the Japanese ‘secret’ units in China during the war; Doctors complicit in what happened in Gitmo; those (many, apparently) who knew about, yet still helped to cover up, the NHS blood scandal; Doctors who take part in conducting drug trials but stay quiet when the data’s manipulated to support the drug’s release, etc etc etc.

I don’t know WHY anyone believes that they only ever have their patients’ best interests at heart. The BMA must have been a hell of a PR machine back in the day.

In the uk. 21 in some places inc USA

In sentencing the ex-SNP Equalities Officer, Cameron Downing, for various sexual assaults, the judge was asked last week to take into account that our brains aren't fully mature till about 25. Funny how that doesn't matter for PBs, isn't it?

So many points to pick up on!

'However, he overlooks the fact that this ban does not include teenage patients with a difference of sex development (DSD), more commonly known as intersex.'
It's not 'more commonly known as intersex', it's inaccurately and, to people with DSDs, offensively known as intersex, and it's strange to find a Doctor specialising in this area still using 'intersex' at all.

' DSD patients are taking the medication for much the same reason as transgender patients – ie the puberty they are undergoing is causing distress,'
I'm confused by his reference to treating DSD people in such a way that challenges their biological sex - I thought current care of DSD people meant that their biological sex is more likely than previously to be identified at birth, and they would be supported in growing up as a male with DSD or a girl with DSD?
So why would puberty be so distressing that it needed medical intervention to stop or pause it?

'puberty blockers can be helpful for a carefully selected minority of transgender youth who have a clear and consistent understanding of their gender identity, demonstrated distress in relation to the initial stages of puberty, and are mature enough to consider – with the support of their parents or carers – the likely implications of this treatment pathway, balancing any potential side-effects with the potential benefits'.
Puberty IS distressing! I've only been through the female version of it, but I approached it with such dread that I contemplated suicide. I would have happily taken anything that would have stopped it happening. Then it happened and I got over it. Who knows what would have happened if I'd met a Dr Kelly at the time...?

It's worth noting that the age of reaching puberty has been falling rapidly, from mid-teens to around 11, and is probably going to continued falling. So currently a 'youth' approaching Dr Kelly with distress about puberty is likely to be a child of 10 or 11. It is unlikely that a child of that age would be
'mature enough to consider .. the likely implications of this treatment pathway, balancing any potential side-effects with the potential benefits'.

There are clinical reasons to use puberty blockers if puberty is occurring at a very young age - which is likely to happen a lot more if the age of puberty continues to fall below 11 - but that is not contradicting the child's sexual identity, so it's not the likes of Dr Kelly or Gender Plus who will be treating the child.

Then there's the sideswipe at Dr Cass and her review:
Cass...acquired her own knowledge by virtue of carrying out the NHSE review into gender services, which she was commissioned to conduct despite, at that time, having no direct experience of working in these services herself.'

I could go on..

So is this a medically diagnosed condition or not?
Someone needs to make up their minds on if this is a cosmetic procedure carried out by the healthcare sector or a medical intervention required by a patient.

This thing needing the medical profession to be the only authority but it isn't a medical condition is eating itself.

You don't need to be a doctor to understand that giving children powerful drugs to stop their puberty is wrong. You just need to be a decent human being.

Apart from that, I note that this man thinks that "puberty blockers can be helpful for a carefully selected minority of transgender youth".

How does this square with the fox-killer's claim that hordes of children being denied puberty blockers are taking their own lives?

More about Aidan Kelly here:

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-banality-of-aidan?r=ahi4t

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3950421-Talk-by-Dr-Aidan-Kelly-Tavistock

You're not expecting their arguments to be consistent, are you?

Normal considerations and standards don’t apply for the magic of genderism with its feelings and essences even amongst some apparent medics who should know better. Thank God for Dr Cass and her evidence-based report.

Agreed!

Thank you for the reminder, I knew I'd read about him before.

"Apart from that, I note that this man thinks that "puberty blockers can be helpful for a carefully selected minority of transgender youth".

How does this square with the fox-killer's claim that hordes of children being denied puberty blockers are taking their own lives?'
Exactly.

@MarieDeGournay All good points, and I'd bet puberty age falling is because our hormone balance is being stuffed up by our diet, hormones in food and the tsunami of them in our water along with plastics and forever chemicals, hormone disruptors.
Hormones act in miniscule ammounts and in very specific balance, but have a profound effect for good or ill.