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Article - Do Feminists Speak for All Women?

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UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2024 14:28

Victoria Smith has written an excellent article in response to Alastair Campbell’s dismissive behaviour towards women arguing for single-sex spaces and services:

https://thecritic.co.uk/do-feminists-speak-for-all-women/

That no woman speaks for all women is hardly a novel observation. Indeed, it would be difficult to imagine a world in which this were possible, given there are billions of us. One of the most significant challenges feminism faces as a movement — both globally, and on the smallest, most interpersonal level — comes from the fact that women’s views diverge significantly due to age, experience, location and the way in which our personal lives are intertwined with those of men of our own milieu. As Gerda Lerner wrote, “class and racial privileges serve to undercut the ability of women to see themselves as part of a coherent group, which, in fact, they are not, since women uniquely of all oppressed groups occur in all strata of society”…

…Many of us have deep disagreements not just with women of other backgrounds, but with our own female relatives and friends. My own mother believed very much in the idea of males as heads of the household, whereas I do not. It is laughable for men such as Campbell to breeze in and suggest — as if we haven’t already noticed — that when feminists claim to advocate for women’s rights, we literally believe all women, or even all feminists, think the same way we do. We argue; we make judgements; sometimes we change our minds. The situation of women as a class is too important for us to retreat into the kind of relativism that insists you can’t really say one thing is better than another (there are women who support FGM, or advocate for their daughters being married off at 12, or believe that the tradwife movement is progressive). Nobody likes to feel they are telling other women they are wrong about women’s rights — but some are. ’

Do feminists speak for all women? | Victoria Smith | The Critic Magazine

Two decades ago, back when satirical news site the Onion was still relevant, it produced the painfully accurate article “Women Now Empowered By Everything A Woman Does”. It captured a moment during…

https://thecritic.co.uk/do-feminists-speak-for-all-women

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JurassicClark · 18/07/2024 14:51

Excellent rebuttal of Campbell’s nonsense.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/07/2024 15:19

Campbell's a tool - Victoria Smith is a star ⭐

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2024 15:20

I think so too Jurassic, of course Campbell will probably never read it or acknowledge the validity of the points made 🙄

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UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2024 15:28

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/07/2024 15:19

Campbell's a tool - Victoria Smith is a star ⭐

Yup, can’t argue with you there 👍

I am in awe of Smith’s clear thinking and expression. Over the last ten years, everything she has written has been so helpful to me in clarifying my own thinking on various issues affecting women and feminism. She’s a talented writer and I’m very glad that she was able to move from blogging to being published in newspapers and in online magazines.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/07/2024 15:40

It was her book Hags that led me to Mumsnet, and because of her and other's I know an awful lot more than I use to. 😀

As I recall I've learnt nothing of value from Campbell. 👎

RoyalCorgi · 18/07/2024 15:42

Campbell's argument is such a stupid one. So not all women care about women's rights? We know that many working-class people vote Tory. There are black people who voted for Donald Trump. Amazingly, not all people who belong to a particular group think the same way. Why would this invalidate an argument in support of women's right to single-sex services and spaces?

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 18/07/2024 16:22

Yes to the faux ignorance of Campbell and Smith's writing skills.

Using a phrase I've seen here, FWR is not a "be-cardiganed monolith" and it follows that MN isn't nor women in general.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/07/2024 16:29

His argument if one can call it that is just stupid! If feminists don’t doesn’t fit a women then surely the women he’s spoken too (which seem to be his partner and daughter) don’t speak for all women either

he’s embarrassingly stubborn on this issue

Omlettes · 18/07/2024 17:46

The scary thing about Campbell is he is so obviously not bright, so deeply mediocre in fact and yet he has so much front, over confidence and chutzpa - and too many bought it.

RayonSunrise · 18/07/2024 18:57

Oh come on. I disagree with Campbell quite strongly on this issue, but let's not pretend he's stupid.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 18/07/2024 19:15

RayonSunrise · 18/07/2024 18:57

Oh come on. I disagree with Campbell quite strongly on this issue, but let's not pretend he's stupid.

To me, it's faux ignorance and in quite narrow areas like this.

JanesLittleGirl · 18/07/2024 22:07

RayonSunrise · 18/07/2024 18:57

Oh come on. I disagree with Campbell quite strongly on this issue, but let's not pretend he's stupid.

This would be the same Alistair Campbell who lied and directed HMG to lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Anklespraying · 18/07/2024 22:41

Or as Blair called them, weapons of mass distraction.

Thesquarerootofnotgivingafuck · 19/07/2024 06:54

Well ladies, that's us all told! When a man mansplains feminism we should all kick him in the nuts listen!

CorruptedCauldron · 19/07/2024 13:44

Campbell oozes arrogance.

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/07/2024 13:51

Thesquarerootofnotgivingafuck · 19/07/2024 06:54

Well ladies, that's us all told! When a man mansplains feminism we should all kick him in the nuts listen!

Isn’t it just! Every time I’ve heard Campbell opine on this issue he sounds even more dismissive (and fed up) of women who object than Kier Starmer did in the early days of the election campaign.

I don’t see a problem therefore there is no problem - that seems to be how it works in Alastair Campbell world.

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Screamingabdabz · 19/07/2024 13:53

His wife and daughter have had to put up with his arrogant male cuntishness for years. No wonder their opinion is handmaid central.

Sorry can’t be more erudite - it just makes me so bloody angry. Dismissive prick.

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