Irish Minister for Social Protection rules out self ID for under 16s

[Mermoose]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/minister-heather-humphreys-rules-out-any-law-change-to-allow-under-16s-to-register-new-gender/a1119531786.html

https://archive.is/p29PQ

Heather Humphreys (Fine Gael) is saying under 16s won't get GRCs before the election, but cites other priorities as the reason, rather than the Cass Report.

Roderic O'Gorman (Greens), Minister for Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth, is in favour of introducing the legislation because he is Green and therefore bonkers.

O'Gorman commissioned a report from Cambridge University Technical Services, which was received by both departments in February but which hasn't been made public. In May O'Gorman indicated it supported introduction of GRCs for under 16s, but in February Humphreys' department wrote to O’Gorman’s department “reiterating” its stance on the unpublished report, which sounds like she doesn't agree with it.

A Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks poll last August showed 70pc of respondents believed those under 16 should not be allowed to legally change gender with parental consent. The poll showed 18pc supported such a change while 12pc were “unsure”.

Charlie Flanagan (Fine Gael) has said Cass has discredited WPATH and the legislation should be left on the shelf. Paul Murphy (People Before Profit/Nutter) wants the report published (fair enough) but wants the legislation introduced and says it's terrible that "intersex" people can't have their birth certs amended (Murphy thinks his child is non-binary because he hasn't yet professed a preference for football or ballet).

A number of bodies support the ­introduction of a scheme of gender recognition for under-16s, including the Free Legal Advice Centres and the Ombudsman for Children.

A 2018 government-appointed review group of Ireland’s 2015 self-identification gender laws called for a gender recognition system for “any age” of child where there was parental consent. That review group was chaired by Moninne Griffith, executive director of Belong To, a support group for the LGBTQ+ youth community. Its members included Sara Phillips, then chair of Teni, a transgender support and lobby group.

So FG are can kicking the report which is good news. Glad that both Heather, the Minister and Charlie both say no to allowing under 16’s changing their genders officially. What Paul Murphy the ‘populist’ says is irrelevant as he has no power and just speaks nonsense. Including that he and wife are bringing up their baby as gender neutral.

Clearly the magic of Cass is working to ensure the Irish government don’t do anything stupid.

Why is the minimum age set at 16? I would have thought 18 would be more appropriate.
Scotland has special sentencing guidelines for people under 25 as their brains aren't fully developed.

16 is crazy. We can't be told the name of a convicted criminal who is under the age of 18, but that same individual could choose to get a GRC?

Roderic O'Gorman (Greens), Minister for Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth, is in favour of introducing the legislation because he is Green and therefore bonkers.

Yes.

16 & 17 year olds require parental permission and for two medical professionals to sign off (on the fact that they're really the opposite sex to the sex they are which is medically impossible.)

If they're too young for their responsibility for crime to be made public they are too young to know their gender is wrong. Their parents would not be held responsible for their crime and cannot be handed responsibility for their gender.

I won't vote to give under 18s the vote either. We need consistency.

It is not huge praise, but Heather Humphreys has been a consistently hard worker and slightly saner than some of her colleagues over the years.

I think anyone who thinks they're the opposite sex to the sex they are is, on that issue, not in a fit state to say what sex they are 🤷 I just don't think GRCs should exist at all. But yes, it's especially harmful to encourage young people under 25 to cement their identity in this way.

Completely agree with you Mermoose, but we are, alas, where we are.

Given the extent to which knee-jerk, unthinking, 'I'm agin it' anti Catholicism is as much a motivator for the current politicians and media types as knee-jerk Catholicism was 60 years ago, does being a Presbyterian give H H a cultural background more open to clear analysis of problems?

I don't know - has she expressed doubts about gender identity before this? I think to a large extent the change of direction we're seeing among FGers is due to the fact that the tide is turning generally. I always thought that's what would sway most politicians. Most people didn't think their way into agreeing with transgenderism and most people won't think their way back to sanity, it'll just be a kind of osmosis.

Oh yes, lots of awkward questions on the doorsteps (not that I saw hair nor hide of either pol or promoter) before the Euro and locals, coming on top of the referendum results has them scurrying for cover.

Lots of sentences that start 'The Burkes are individually and collectively nutso, and Enoch is a young idiot BUT is housing and feeding him for months really essential for the good of society . . . '

Just a great idea and so cleverly deceptive to get around the scary findings of the Cass report. Issue Gender recognition Certificates only if the male is over 16 so males then can legally be classed as female and at the height of male sex drive. That insures with unaltered male genitalia they can access ALL FEMALE PRIVATE SPACES INCLUDING HOSPITAL WARDS FEMALE TOILETS CHANGEROOMS WOMEN REFUGES SCHOOL CAMPS AND ALL AREAS WHERE YOUR YOUNG DAUGHTERS CAN BE FOUND. WHO HATES FEMALES AND YOUNG GIRLS WITH A VENGENCE OF HATE, WITHOUT RESERVATION, GUESS WHO ?.