Surrogates twice as likely to suffer dangerous pregnancy complications

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Telegraph article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/07/surrogates-twice-as-likely-complications-natural-mothers/

More reasons too bring in a ban or at least a lot stricter laws?

you can also read the article by putting url into archive.ph

I doubt the people who think it's OK to buy babies will give a shit. The mother isn't seen as human, just as something that serves the wants of the buyers.

Who cares as long as the product turns out healthy, mind you if it doesn't the purchaser is under no obligation to take it

@Hoppinggreen this is a baby we're talking about not an oil painting someone has commissioned

Yet babies have been rejected by commissioning parents for not being up to standard. We are against surrogacy because we see the mother and baby that is harmed each time. It's people trafficking and exploitation and should be consigned to history.

I think you will find hopping has posted sarcasm.

Yes.
That’s literally her point.

I wonder whether there are differences in outcomes between mothers who are carrying IVF pregnancies with donor eggs for themselves, and those mothers who are carrying commissioned babies.

Yes, I wondered this, too. For example, it's fairly common for lesbian couples to do reciprocal IVF, where one woman carries a baby created using the other woman's egg- I'd be really interested to know if the non-biological, gestational mother was more likely to experience complications in this scenario.

I'd like to read the actual scientific paper that has been peer reviewed on this before forming an opinion. Not some agenda driven journalist attempt to make sense of the findings without a thorough understanding.

I thought risks when using a donor egg were always increased, the end 'path' of the baby is largely irrelevant to some extent.

This gives a brief overview, it is from a fertility services provider, so if anything would want to.play down the risks.

https://www.cofertility.com/family-learn/what-is-pregnancy-like-when-using-donor-eggs

But what about the pregnant woman? Does it make a difference to her health outcomes if she is seen as the beloved mother of her own baby, or as the gestating vessel of an unrelated infant?

Isn't there something about if a woman was malnourished in utero & growing up then she is more likely to have complications in pregnancy - even if she isn't malnourished while pregnant? Seeing as an awful lot of surrogates are from poorer backgrounds maybe this could be a factor in poor outcomes (for the surrogate).

I don't understand what you are asking. Seen by whom? The use of a donor egg increases the risk of complications, there may be other risk factors in the case of a surrogate mother, but donor egg and IVF increases that risk.

Precisely

This.

They will hire PR to sanitise anything and then claim that the surrogate made a free choice.

Presumably a woman accepts higher risks if she’s using IVF & donor eggs because the end result is the baby she wants.
With surrogacy she has all the risks but could die for someone else to have their baby. But it’s ok because the surrogate gets paid (even though because she’s being paid she doesn’t REALLY want to do it)

@Topofthemountain

Health outcomes for patients are affected by HCP prejudices (conscious or otherwise). Things like women's pain being dismissed but men's pain taken seriously, and dropping blood oxygen not being noticed in black women because HCPs are on the lookout for pallor. Do HCPs and other caregivers take as much care with the surrogate mothers' physical and mental health as they do with other mothers? Do the surrogate mother's own thoughts and attitudes have an affect - the knowledge that she will be giving the baby away, for example?

Thank you for explaining. It would be interesting to know if that adds another layer of risk on top of the IVF + donor egg which already increases risk