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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Church of England consultation on new schools guidance- respond by end July!

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Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 17:45

new Church of England schools guidance out for consultation.
https://www.churchofengland.org/about/education-and-schools/education-publications/anti-bullying-guidance-church-england-schools

a critical article from LGB Christians
https://lgbchristians.org.uk/2024/07/06/media-release-church-of-england-plays-fast-and-loose-with-cass-review/

Children of transitioners and survivors of CSA are hugely negatively impacted too by attempts to control speech and belief- yet no mention is made of their needs.

Media Release: Church of England plays fast and loose with Cass Review

Press release in response to the proposed anti-bullying guidance for use in Church of England schools. We are concerned that the concerns expressed in the Cass review have not been properly addressed.

https://lgbchristians.org.uk/2024/07/06/media-release-church-of-england-plays-fast-and-loose-with-cass-review

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UpThePankhurst · 09/07/2024 17:49

Good lord how many consultations do we need?!

Can we consult less, use the information that's been gathered because I can't imagine it's going to generate anything new or different, (or results that activists like any better) and get on with protecting children?

Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 17:59

no mention or protection for children who refuse to lie, and disagree with Stonewall (who are far more likely to be bullied than gender believers in CofE schools)
Girl, 18, 'driven out of school' for questioning transgender ideology - LBC

the guidance says schools must protect trans parents- not the children who they are supposed to safeguard, which is astonishing.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/09/25/not-shutting-up/
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2023/04/10/paperwork/

Girl, 18, 'driven out of school' for questioning transgender ideology

A female sixth form student has been "driven out" of her school after questioning transgender ideology.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/girl-18-driven-out-of-school-for-questioning-transgender-ideology/

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Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 17:59

A failure to tell the truth has left children vulnerable to grooming. Falsifying, lying or pretending that males are really females (such as schools using the slogan ‘Transwomen are women’ or ‘Miss’ for male teachers) is a safeguarding issue and increases the risk of abuse to girls. The little girl in the Andrew Miller case said she got into his car as he was dressed as a woman.
https://reduxx.info/scotland-transgender-butcher-pleads-guilty-to-abducting-and-sexually-abusing-schoolgirl/

SCOTLAND: Transgender Butcher Pleads Guilty to Abducting and Sexually Abusing Schoolgirl - Reduxx

A Scottish butcher charged with the abduction and rape of an 11 year-old girl has pleaded guilty to the grisly crimes at the High Court in Edinburgh today. Andrew Miller, 53, who also uses the female persona Amy George, has admitted to kidnapping the c...

https://reduxx.info/scotland-transgender-butcher-pleads-guilty-to-abducting-and-sexually-abusing-schoolgirl

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Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 18:00

Not sure safeguarding children is the Church's strong point.
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/anglican-church/executive-summary.html

Hopefully the above links are useful for parents responding to the consultation.

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Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 18:02

@UpThePankhurst
I am not a CofE expert, but assume they will ignore it- the dradft appears to have been written by a transactivist who dislikes the Cass review and the Conservative gov schools guidance...

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Manderleyagain · 09/07/2024 18:08

Thank you for this. It's probably most important for those with kids at CofE schools to fill it in.
It's interesting that they put a blurb praising the cass review on their web site even before you click through to the documents.
Consultation fatigue!

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 18:30

Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 18:00

Not sure safeguarding children is the Church's strong point.
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/anglican-church/executive-summary.html

Hopefully the above links are useful for parents responding to the consultation.

Not the only "interest" from IICSA. How on earth this isn't a conflict of interest, is pretty hard to fathom:

www.churchofengland.org/media/press-releases/publication-jay-review

www.churchofengland.org/safeguarding/safeguarding-news-releases/national-safeguarding-steering-group-nssg-january-update

Justme56 · 09/07/2024 18:33

So having written a whole load about bullying apparently homosexuality and heterosexuality are based on an attraction to someone of the same or opposite gender. Maybe they should read up on the cotton ceiling.

Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 18:45

Also uses terms like 'cisgender' that are offensive to many.
Various safeguarding organisations for children have tried (unsuccessfully) to get the clergy CofE lead for this to listen to others except Stonewall.

The old guidance said any child who wouldn't pretend a boy is a girl was a bully, and was in the press for other reasons too:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/28/parents-urge-archbishop-of-canterbury-scrap-trans-guide/

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/07/2024 19:36

Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 18:00

Not sure safeguarding children is the Church's strong point.
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/anglican-church/executive-summary.html

Hopefully the above links are useful for parents responding to the consultation.

If you talk to people involved in education, they despair that policy around this has been influenced by some very powerful adults with a personal vested interest in all this. They're apparently "experts" despite their evident lack of knowledge about education, child development and safeguarding children.
Discussions are usually swerved onto adults rather than looking at the needs of children and schools with "be kind and shut up" being the mantra rather than open debate. Few adults involved are prepared to take on the "authority" of the church, despite the apparent dangers to children

The IICSA report commented this about the C of E - it appears they perhaps still haven't understood the issues?

"Deference to the authority of the Church and to individual priests, taboos surrounding discussion of sexuality and an environment where alleged perpetrators were treated more supportively than victims presented barriers to disclosure that many victims could not overcome. Another aspect of the Church’s culture was clericalism, which meant that the moral authority of clergy was widely perceived as beyond reproach....."

Chariothorses · 09/07/2024 19:44

It is also telling parents have to respond to the consultation this month- when most will be away on holiday. Almost as if it's deliberate.

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UpThePankhurst · 09/07/2024 19:49
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It's like Ireland's referendums. Just keep making them do it all over again in the hope of coming up with responses they like better.

And yes, always heavily influenced by adults, all of whom are male or heavily adult male-centric in their thinking, all of whom have skin in the game, and it is beyond rare to find one with relevant qualifications to be advising schools on anything at all.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 19:56

The IICSA report commented this about the C of E - it appears they perhaps still haven't understood the issues?

They should, since the exact same church hired the IICSA chair to advise them on safeguarding. Including on the recommendations that IICSA made. See upthread.

That they don't, is either clear or unclear, depending on your take of that set of events.

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