I cut poll gives reform 13 seats and SNP crashing down to only 10. Is this gender nonsense being punished at the ballot box?

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I think so…

EXIT POLL silly typo…

I'm not sure we can say that when Labour are heading for a landslide...

Hardly, if Labour are heading for a landslide.

I don't think so, at least we can't say yet. They are emphasising on the BBC that the smaller party numbers are hard to predict.

I think more people will have voted reform because deep down they’re racist/ xenophobic rather than because they have strong views on gender ideology, certainly the people I know who are voting reform (colleagues) are the type to spout bigoted views but don’t care about women’s rights specifically and only hate trans people in the same way they hate anybody different from themselves. The women I know who are gender critical and therefore don’t feel they can align with any main party have mostly said they’re going to spoil their ballots, they’re still not voting reform because they still disagree with far more than they agree on.

No. And I think a certain half of the population may regret that at some point. I suspect the SNP crash (if it's true) is just because the Scots are finally sick of the SNP's mismanagement, and they were always vulnerable to a Labour resurgence.

I think 17% of the population might vote for reform because they have to use food banks and work two jobs and can’t see a dentist or a GP. And calling people racist and bigoted for voting to be out of that is a little….. bigoted?

You can’t say Labour has a consistent position on gender can you?

It’s definitely true and they have been in an upward swing for 15 years - an 80% loss of seats is catastrophic and would point to the gender reforms and the hate laws and the Green alliance backfiring

I havent said people are racist/ bigoted for voting reform. I have said the people I know who have admitted to voting reform are often spouting bigoted views and I think there are more people who voted reform because they are racist than voted reform because of the views on gender. That doesn’t mean everybody who voted reform is racist or bigoted, just that those I know are bigoted and I think the parties xenophobic policies are more widely known and quoted as a reason to vote them than their views on gender.

That’s a perspective. A biased one as well.

people who vote reform, which I did not, will say they voted for change, to protect our borders, to put British people before illegal immigrants.

and…. To raise the tax threshold to 20k, to raise the vat Threshold and to fix IR35.

and - that women don’t have a penis. Only one party leader said that on stage again and again.

all those things sound valid to me.

It’s politics, everybody’s perspective is biased!

I don’t believe that gender ideology is the reason reform is polled to do well in the election, I think it’s mainly their immigration policy and society becoming more xenophobic. I think more people are bothered about immigrants (illegal or otherwise) and refugees and asylum seekers than they are about trans people. I guess whether you consider views like putting British people first racist/ xenophobic/ bigoted etc is dependent on your own ideology and views but either way I don’t think gender ideology will have actually been a significant factor in them winning seats.

Immigration is absolutely a bigger issue to more people yes.

but. The SNP 75% drop combined with Reform from nowhere, is not divorced from the gender stuff, SNP especially. And when Farage stands up and clearly takes a stand, other parties will notice

I think the SNP is a shambles at the moment. Isla Bryson will have played a part, but I suspect most people won’t have much idea of the depth of the indoctrination struggle that has been going on. Isla was scandalous enough that people would probably roll their eyes and think it’s ridiculous, but the details that led there, with the youth party and all their manouevering which I have watched in horror, won’t have been widely publicized.

They will know about Sturgeon’s downfall and that the SNP has failed to deliver anything useful in the years they’ve been riding high. They obviously haven’t taken to Alba, which they might have, if gender ideology was significant.

I voted for Party of Women but I think it’s naive to assume the transwomen in women’s spaces was the only of even the main reason Reform won seats.

Reform mobilised very quickly because they’re UKIP under a different name.

And a chance for unionists to roust the nationalists.