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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TW in Washington State transferred back to male prison

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NitroNine · 03/07/2024 09:25

HuffPost are outraged about it of course; & quote only inmates who were too.

It may be that the sex was consensual in this case; but a male person had no business in a female prison. By HuffPost’s reasoning paedophiles should be placed in women’s prisons because they’re at risk in male ones. Yet more failing to see women as real people. Disgraceful.

Trans Woman Moved Back To Men's Prison In Unprecedented Act

Amber Kim, the subject of a 2023 HuffPost story, spent three and a half years at the Washington Corrections Center for Women before she was forcibly removed last week.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/washington-moves-trans-woman-to-mens-prison_n_667ef30ee4b0d079dd459357

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ScrollingLeaves · 03/07/2024 09:48

“ removed a transgender person from gender-affirming housing.”

This US euphemism is extraordinary. These writers don’t seem to ever laugh at themselves.

LonginesPrime · 03/07/2024 11:14

The fact the inmate is so adamant that sex and intimacy between inmates is both commonplace and desirable (to foster inmates' emotional wellbeing while incarcerated, they suggest) gives greater weight for opposite sex inmates not to be housed together, for obvious reasons.

If people are going to have sex in prison anyway, it's imperative that opposite sex inmates are housed separately to avoid bringing a child into that awful environment.

The inmate's surprise that their having sex with a woman isn't regarded by the prison as if it were lesbian sex is bizarre.

SinnerBoy · 03/07/2024 11:22

So, he's in danger in a male prison. Just like most of the other men in male prisons.

WickedSerious · 03/07/2024 12:14

ScrollingLeaves · 03/07/2024 09:48

“ removed a transgender person from gender-affirming housing.”

This US euphemism is extraordinary. These writers don’t seem to ever laugh at themselves.

'Gender affirming' housing is up there with 'immutable sex essence' as one of the stupidest things I've read this year.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 03/07/2024 12:19

Wow. It's almost like there are differences between two females having sex and a male and a female having sex! Who knew?!

Heylo · 03/07/2024 12:48

Why was he in prison in the first place?
this is so grim. The outrage over his human rights 😂 what about the women who have to serve time alongside him ? Gross

NitroNine · 03/07/2024 13:58

Heylo · 03/07/2024 12:48

Why was he in prison in the first place?
this is so grim. The outrage over his human rights 😂 what about the women who have to serve time alongside him ? Gross

Murdering his parents, according to this earlier article about him. But they didn’t validate his trans identity the nasty transphobes, so they totally deserved it. It does seem his father was physically abusive, but God knows that’s no justification for murder. Also not out of way abusive - if that makes sense - for some parts of the US. Which doesn’t make belting your [adolescent] child ok either, but does set in in a socio-cultural context.

She Was Incarcerated In A Men's Prison. Her Battle For Basic Trans Care Was Brutal.

Trans people across the country are facing an assault on their right to exist — but being transgender in prison is uniquely difficult.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trans-rights-prison-amber-kim_n_6557ce06e4b0998d69a049d4

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WickedSerious · 03/07/2024 14:04

'An assault on their right to exist'.

Oh the humanity.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/07/2024 14:07

NitroNine · 03/07/2024 13:58

Murdering his parents, according to this earlier article about him. But they didn’t validate his trans identity the nasty transphobes, so they totally deserved it. It does seem his father was physically abusive, but God knows that’s no justification for murder. Also not out of way abusive - if that makes sense - for some parts of the US. Which doesn’t make belting your [adolescent] child ok either, but does set in in a socio-cultural context.

Not the thread subject I know, but here is an example of someone who was gender non-conforming, a feminine sort of boy, being traumatised by a very abusive father, now saying he is trans.

It sounds as though it suited him too though in this case as a way of making prison better.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/07/2024 14:09

NitroNine · 03/07/2024 13:58

Murdering his parents, according to this earlier article about him. But they didn’t validate his trans identity the nasty transphobes, so they totally deserved it. It does seem his father was physically abusive, but God knows that’s no justification for murder. Also not out of way abusive - if that makes sense - for some parts of the US. Which doesn’t make belting your [adolescent] child ok either, but does set in in a socio-cultural context.

Trans people face disproportionate rates of incarceration

I wonder why?

https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/TransgenderPeopleBehindBars.pdf

NitroNine · 03/07/2024 18:47

ScrollingLeaves · 03/07/2024 14:09

Trans people face disproportionate rates of incarceration

I wonder why?

It’s yet another attempt to appropriate oppression. Black people absolutely are shockingly disproportionately incarcerated in the US - they’re imprisoned at five times the rate of white people;^ & it’s absolutely not as simple as them doing 5 times as much crime. Just looking at Massachusetts, both the black & Latin American populations are over-represented in the criminal justice system - & they get charged with more serious offences & given longer sentences than white people who’ve done the same things. The US prison-industrial complex absolutely works against people of colour; & this has been known for decades.

The offences trans women are incarcerated for do not generally sit within those which contribute to a pattern of over-incarceration for a community. Simply having a high number of a particular demographic incarcerated does not constitute over-incarceration. Rape; murder; other violent crimes; paedophilia: just a small sampling of typical crimes that lead to TW being incarcerated. In the UK there have been multiple cases where TW haven’t been incarcerated purely due to their trans status, so if anything they are under-incarcerated.

^despite use of the grim “latinx”, the research is sound

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